How Do I Get Started in Adult?

I'm a wee bit confused - where do you get the content in the first place to resell via C4S or Clips?

Great thread, btw. Very interesting. I'm thinking it may be possible to adapt some of the lessons for more general use.

 

Some misconceptions about adult, and especially if you are producing your own content. Many mom and pop, or small producers seem to fall into these.

1. You can and should reuse girls. Some patrons want more of certain girls.
2. You SHOULD proactively be asking for feedback, and scripts from patrons.
3. Most of those model sites, for recruiting, are major time wasters. Don't bother.
4. Not all models shoot on a 'per scene' basis. You should pay per session.
5. Your model recruiting close ratio 1 in 10. Cast a bigger net. You'll need it.
6. You should proactively offer to shoot custom for patrons (for a fee).
7. You should try and shoot both pictures and videos for licensing purposes down the line.
8. You should have 4-10 key popular scene scripts you repeat. Especially for 'breaking in' new girls.
9. Solo girl sites will only sell if the girl is proactively involved.
10. Content does not have to be hardcore, or nude, to sell and convert.

 

Normally you would get them from a content producer, studio or content broker.

You want to make sure you get licensed content for the clip stores. If someone complains that your content is unlicensed, and you can't prove it's licensed, you will lose your loot. Not a problem for most, but just reinforcing that tidbit.

For those looking for content, feel free to contact me. I work with most major providers, and independents for my development and consulting. So, depending on your niche or choice. I can point you in the right direction or get you some good pricing.

Thanks buddy. Appreciate the feedback.

I get asked these types of questions all the time, so I figured I would throw some of the general answers into one thread as a resource for people. Then when I am asked, and I can simply point them to the thread.

 

Models, models, models. Everyone wants to know where to find them.

As I said previously, you really need to learn how to make money before you are out spending money. To do that, you need to license someone elses content and learn to monetize it in a clip store format IMHO. That will minimize your risks.

However, for those who are insistent. Some more tips for you before you recruit models.

1. Have business address, business cards printed, and simple website up with examples.
2. Do not provide too much information up front... On sites, or ads.
3. Develop a three step interview process. Each step provides more info.
4. Make sure you have your model release drawn up. Each girl needs to sign one.
5. You will have more success recruiting from social networks, and secondary sources.
6. I would recommend you have a phone number other than your cell, or home.
7. Filter out models before any face-to-face interview. You want to 'test them' in email.
8. Only 1 in 10, if you're good, will work for you. So expect everyone to be a, "no".
9. Meet the prospects in a public place of their choosing.
10. Models are expendable. They are only as loyal as the $. So always be recruiting new.

There is more to it, but that gives you some basic guidelines for those insistent on recruiting their own models. Having learned the hard way through trial and error, probably thousands of interviews, and the better part of a decade and over 1000 scenes. I would strongly recommend you walk, before you run.

But in the end, it's your money. Good luck!

 

Interesting thread.

What about if you didn't want to sell content, but wanted to act as an affiliate? What are the conversions like for targetted traffic?

For example, I have a site about an adult niche, and refer visitors to a pay site.

 

One thing I can't stress enough is newsletters. Even if you only have 30 patrons to your clip store, you should still be sending out a newsletter every time you update. Including daily.

Sure, some people will turn it off or remove themselves. But most will not. With the huge variety or clip stores out there, you need to make sure you keep your people in the loop. I still buy clips from my favorite stores weekly, and if they did not send me a newsletter. I would not check them 9 out of 10 times either.

Additionally, as you expand your network, you really should consider adding in a newsletter to every site you have. All of my pay sites have them. All of my clip stores have them. I do not always use them enough, but when I launch new products, new sites, or run new offers. I always announce it in my newsletter and it will get you some nice sales for a day or so.

Since I produce my own content, I also use it to solicit scripts and ideals from the patrons so I shoot material more tailored to their likes. I am not going to produce custom if I am not paid to do so. But if people keep asking for the same stuff, it does not hurt to slide some in for added sales.

A newsletter is a powerful tool. Over time, with your network of sites, you gather a huge list of followers. Which is lovely for when you launch new products and websites. You could take it a step further and even start charging people for access to your weekly mailing.

Start thinking of all the patrons you can reach out and touch between your message boards, clip stores, pay sites, and other ways to gather their info. You simply need to take all of that information, and centralize it into ONE across ALL your sites.

Do not abuse it however, and remain CAN SPAM compliant. Otherwise you will piss off your peeps. Which is never good.

 

No. That is one of the absolute WORST places to find models in my experience.

No matter which strip club, all these women will take whatever was their best night EVER and claim that is what they are making EVERY night. So they want you to pay them the same $300/500.00.

They also tend to feel they are something special. Just because some old drunks, and lonely desperado's will flip em a few bucks. They think that online that will make a difference. It doesn't.

Many of them also do not want to be 'forever online' or have people know about their activities. While I rarely have any customers from around my area, or even this side of the state. They feel that being online would 'out' them to some degree. As well make them a public record. Where working in some shady strip club they feel they have a harder time to be found out, or they can 'out' you for being one of the desperado's. Kinda of like some fucked up power thing.

Have I used strippers every? Yes. Old business partner brought me a bunch of them when we first started out. Nine of 10 were the absolute worst. Same for the Model Mayhem and OMP type sites. They all 'talk' like they want to work, but when you bring them in they suck. Some want to fight you the whole time because they do not like your style compared to some other gumshoe photographer they worked with.

I have had the BEST success recruiting from social networks. I have never been one to walk around like a guido flipping business cards. I set it up in a way, that THEY would come to me looking for work. Then I would go through my three step process before the interview, then do a face to face, and then schedule them.

This solved the no-shows, and other b.s. you would run into.

 

Sorry to hear about your experience.

We have had that happen as well. Not with the skeezers, but with some of the other girls. Whether they do the shoot and then change their mind later. Or the BF finds out whatever because they never told them and wants the content down.

We have a very simple policy since we always shoot 2-4 girls at a time. If they want to retract the original agreement, especially since most have cashed the check immediately after the session, we will give you 48 hours to come up with the FULL MONEY for the entire session.

That means all of the girls involved, and any other fees and aggravation. They do not simply refund us the money for her. She was in other scenes with other girls. So we have to scrap everything from that day. So she pays for everything. Not one has ever accepted the offer. They just drop it and disappear.

You have to remember, this is a business. It involves more than them. Although, this has really been a non-issue the past 5+ years for us. Partially because I became much better at the three step weeding out process. Part of that is just getting the right mindset you do not care. The second half is the economy. There is always someone else next in line. You simply have to take the emotion out of it.

This is really not where someone new, even with deep pockets, should start as I have said before. There is so many other things I have not yet discussed that go into managing models and even the sessions themselves. You should really start with learning the basics with someone else's content and a clip store. Learn to sell, drive traffic, convert, etc..

It is less costly, and will save you a ton of money. If you have success there, then slowly tinker with producing your own content. You can burn through that money fast. If you do not shoot the scenes right. It will be worthless.

 

I checked Clips4Sale and as far as I understand, I can pay for some videos and get access to the download link .
Do we resell them afterwards or what .. ?

** Any restrictions ( editing, creating pictures, etc. ) ?

 

I just wonder how much can earn (daily) website like xvideos.com ? or youporn.com ?

 

1. Clip stores accept all major credit cards, and they also have some sort of clips4sale gift card type of thing. My guess is that those who use this prefer their privacy or are from countries where credit cards are not an option or easy to get. There are plenty of 2nd, and third world countries like this.

2. Your clip store is yours alone. No one else can sell on your clip store.

3. You can contact me. I have content producers I work with, and broker for. Or I can refer you to some places. Or you can get them from WM forums. You want to make sure your content is licensed. Whether using for your clip store or adult pay site(s). Make sure those you are buying from provide you a license, and 2257 docs.

4. Correct. They pick which clip(s) they want. Pay. Then receive an email with a download link.

5. No. You have to have licensed clips to sell in your store. Again, it's like running a shopping cart. You buy or license goods to sell in your store. You then market that store, and make sales. Same concept. You license content from a broker or producer. You upload it into your store. You then market it, and get paid.

You can't simply download clips you buy off someone's store, and then turn around and resell them. You need to license material.

 

So basically, I can sell the exact copy of what I bought - modifications ( like cutting it into smaller pieces, dumping it into a series of pictures, etc. ) are not allowed ?
Any recommendations on how many clips would be enough to start with ?

 

You can't buy from Clips4Sale and then recut and redistribute. No.

You would need to license some content like this.

or this

You would then have licensed material from a content provider. Are there other packages, and providers out there? Sure. Feel free to contact me.

You would then...
1. Compress the clips with your watermark or url.
2. Cut the watermarked clips into segments.
3. Write a description of the scene.
4. Catalog description of the scene in a spreadsheet for later reference.
5. Upload the clips to your clip store.
6. Schedule the update(s).

Most of this you would do before you go to bed. Loading the clips into a program, and watermarking them. Uploading them into your store via FTP. You really only need to be at your computer for the descriptions, scheduling, and maybe cutting segments as that can be done fast without re-compression.

 

Here's the very first thing you should be doing. Planning.
1. Budget for content purchase. How much can you spend?
2. Niches you are interested in. Keep in mind, they are 2nd to availabiltiy.
3. Amount of content. 100/300/500/1000 scenes?
4. If you want pictures and video. Pictures are handy for promotion.

Answering these questions will get you started on narrowing the field. There are many providers out there, and things are going to vary by answering those simple questions.

You do not need HD quality content for a clip store. You can always buy it, but I would advise against it. When you get into HD content, you will want to make sure you have a copy of Sorenson Squeeze. Which makes multiple formats for content during compression.

You do not need exclusive. I have been re-running my fetish content for years. No matter how many times, new or old store, the results are the same again and again. I have been doing this little 'experiment' for years. Always the same. So you can use semi or non exclusive. You can also re-run your content for YEARS.

 

Thank you for posting this thread. I have learned a lot. Can you please explain why you sell 3 minute videos instead of the 10 minute videos ?

I have a logitech 9000 webcam and have been making custom videos for people with that. Is it good enough to sell clips on clipstores?

 

Hi

With clip stores in general, you do not need an HD camera. I personally think that most clip store people, myself included, are not interested in HD. As they are already at the site, dick in hand, and do not want to be waiting 45 minutes for a download. You can film in HD if you like, and encode for SD to cater to the clip store market as a work around.

HD is nice to have, and give you the option to go up or down on the quality. Where as, you film in SD, and you can't go up. Just get worse or the same. If you can afford it, go HD. If not, short term you can get buy on a cheapo. Look at most of the stores. They appear to shoot in night vision.

You break clips up because some people will buy only a certain piece, but more importantly so you the update 'pop'. One update, one bite. More clips, more bites. The dollar amount is irrelevant. You are looking for those 'pops' on updates and eventually you would be pushing these buying customers to pay site(s).

 

thank you for answering. I think i understand about the clips now. The length is not so important but being able to post a new clip every day is.

 

Correct.

Also getting those repeated 'pops'. Some people will make multiple versions, or renders, of clips instead of breaking into pieces. It is essentially the same thing.

 

okay so what is a "pop" ??? Sorry to seem stupid but i am from thailand and do not know what that means

 

Thanks for sharing. But What hosting should I use? Can you give me some example hostings that allow adult sites.