Does God exist?

So this proves that you do know the extent of the research done? Don't ignore what I said and answer a question with another question.

Come on mate, I thought you had some good reasoning skills, as shown in other posts you've made, don't make me change my mind. You're addressing points that I never made. I don't have the faintest idea what you're referring to with most of this post. Please read my answers again and address each point directly like I did with yours. It's not fair to just bastardise a good debate with rhetorical questions and statements which don't really relate to what anyone else has said. I don't want to have to pick through the above quote and ask what the hell you meant, 'cause it's poor debating etiquette to slow down debates in such a way.

 

No BRUm I wasn't responding to your post . Neurology used to be quite a passion of mine and I do try to keep up whit the latest discoveries . But I can't say that I know every single news on the subject , like everybody else I just lack the required time . I just enjoy trolling stOx , he has a obsession whit proving that atheism is superior to all religious beliefs and it's fun to see him foam his mouth in a pointless effort .

Your points do have a decent reasoning . But the research done on this subject is limited . You simply cannot back-up claims on human behavior whit scientific data . While we d have a huge amount of knowledge on the subject it simply is to little compared whit the complexity of the problem . Starting from the fact that the inside mechanisms of neuron are not completely clear going all the way to the fact that the brain of a mass murderer and the brain of a normal man can look the same o an MRI scan . Etc. Etc.

I'm sorry if there are to many grammatical mistakes in this post. My mic is acting up and Dragon has his own mind lol . You're good for a nice debate sometimes . I wonder if there are any VoIP servers for such things .

 

If you don't believe that feelings are a biochemical process centered in the brain, just destroy a persons brain and see if they can still produce those "feelings" which you can't seem to explain.

A glass of water and a glass of vodka look the same.

 

What do you mean a link to it? Are you unaware that MRI scan show the brain "lighting up" during different emotions? What do you want us to do, link to the definition of every word we use because you are too lazy and ignorant? You being too ill educated to know something isn't actually an argument against it, you know that right?

Name a "bad feeling" (it's like talking to a fucking five year old)

They don't have the capacity to cognitively understand suicide or infidelity, which is why it's uncommon in the animal kingdom.

Bees certainly kill each other. Bees from other hives and from their own. In fact, there are videos showing bees getting drunk, becoming beligerant and being attacked by guard bees back at the hive... Do you feel even the slightest amount of being ashamed by the fact that you have been consistently wrong and consistently schooled every time you post this infantile, ill educated bullshit? I'd honestly like to know. Because if i ever found myself being as ignorant as you appear to be i'd have the self respect to educate myself before opening my mouth and making a fool of myself.

I don't think we need scientific data, we have you, our very own case study on the stupidity of the religious.

 

The patterns revealed during a MRI scan are far too inaccurate to map the neural net . It's like seeing a 9 pixel spot a star system and trying to guess what type of lifeforms exist there . Currently there is no method to precisely distinguish the data resulted from the MRI scan , in fact you can even cheat the MRI by lighting up different parts of the neural net .

Now keep foaming you sound just like my favorite Islamic extremist

 

They don't have to be able to view a neural network to show that something is a result of activity in the brain.

If this is your best attempt at trolling you had better keep practicing. It reminds me of the woody allen line "i hit him on the fist with my jaw" when attempting to make his ass kicking look like a victory. Or are you now just trying to pretend that looking like a moron is part of your schtick? Give up mate, whatever it is you are trying to do, you are shit at it.

 

Ya you don't have to do research on a object to get data & facts about it . You just need to create them out of thin air . Who needs the scientific method when you can just say "I know I am right because I said so" . Bloody science standing in the path of logic . Don't you just hate those labs that waste so much money that could be used for destroying the inferior sub-human believers ?

 

Why would they need to view a neural network to see that something originates in the brain? If feelings and emotions don't come from the brain, where do they come from? Is it magic? From a magic sky man? Grow up.

We use labs to find out new things, not to educate fools on subjects that have been understood for decades. If you are years behind the rest of us that's your fault, and certainly not an argument against anything.

 

So although we're unable to map this the neural net in a precise way we know exactly how feelings work right ? We know what mechanism produce them , the algorithm used by the brain to fire the impulses , the chemicals involved in the process and so on . It's like claiming you know all their is to know about a car by knowing the model's name and engine type .

Understanding how the brain functions is ages away . Logic and love doesn't mix , if we had a logical point in this type of issues we would have long developed helpers and way of quantifying it . To compare it we're looking at a 100 billions cogs rotate , we can see them moving , we can evens observe some patterns but we still have no idea what makes them move or how they interact .

Still no logic for love , still no recipe for mercy and no algorithm for altruism .

 

If I asked you exactly how a car works, you wouldn't be able to give me an engineer's or mechanic's entire description, would you? Yet you firmly believe that the car operates under some pretense of logic.

The same can be applied to human emotions and actions. Like I said previously, just because you don't know the logic behind something, it doesn't mean that it's void of it.

You're wasting your time debating this very specific subject here, you're better off actually asking a biochemist or some sort of biologist. Only then will you get facts.

 

Actually I'd be able to provide you whit a better description since I still make a bit of cash by making custom cars . I often fabricate custom parts so i do know the principles behind it .

I've just update my knowledge regarding the advancements in neurology and I can safely say that we're still ages away from finding any kind of logic when it comes to love , mercy or altruism . For the start of it we lack the instruments required to map the brains activity .

 

My analogy wasn't meant to be taken literally. It just illustrates how we don't need to know everything about human emotions in order to understand them.



To claim that there is no chemistry behind emotions is incredibly naive.

I don't understand what logic, or lack of, behind such things has to do with whether a deity exists. It seems to me that illogical processes only arise within conscious human activity. It cannot be denied with credibility that human instincts lack logic, for there has to be reasoning in order for evolutionary aspects to exist.

 

For me, God truly exists! I have faith in Him.

 

We don't know exactly how they work, but we know they originate in the brain. Just like the example Brum gave you. We don't need to fully understand every aspect of something to understand some of the aspects and principles. For instance, if someone says they can play the trumped does the fact that they don't know how brass is made mean they can't play the trumpet? of course not. So although we currently don't understand every aspect of brain functions, we do understand a lot of them, certainly enough to know that emotions are brain functions.

Your entire premise seems to rely entirely on ignoring what people are telling you. Tell me, is that a result of your low intelligence or your dishonesty?

 

@BRUm c'mon man thats like a high school explanation . Serotonine alone plays more roles in the brain then i can cont in a day and hormones like testosterone & estrogen are again responsible for a huge amount of physical and psychiatric modifications .

We know that we're slaves to the limbic system even simply because the frontal cortex only has a few connexions sending data to it . Yet love is far more complex then that . The brain interacts in ways we cannot map yet . Our best mapping procedure (PET) can only be used if a subject is standing motionless , saying that love can be deduced by observing which areas of the brain that use more blood when the subject is emulating those emotion is primitive at best .

Further more even if we could do a detailed mapping we would just get a unique map after another unique map . If we would scan 1000 subjects we will get 1000 unique maps . If you where to present me whit 1000 unique military-grade detail maps of let's say plains the only conclusion I could get is that they're green , most of them have some sort of elevation and that some have water courses . I know that some would like to believe that we can provide scientific back-up for everything in the universe but our knowledge is just a drop in the ocean .

There is more logic in quantum physics then there is in love , mercy or altruism .

@stOx Since you brought up music would you be so kind to explain the logics behind creativity ? I mean surely since illogical thinking is a bad thing only pure logic can produce music , literature or paintings .

 

I don't think you understand what "logic" is. It applies only to arguments and reasoning when deciding what is true and false. What you just said makes about as much sense as saying "yeah, well if saving money is good, what's the saving money behind creativity?". You being thick is not an argument against anything, well, not against anything besides your own fatuous, ignorant posts.

 

here's an interesting article

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,993160,00.html

 

Yep. Just smash someones brain and then see how much capacity for love they have. It's a repeatable test and provides plenty of opportunity for falsification.

Anyone who doesn't believe that chemistry lays behind emotions has never been drunk.

 

Interesting a basic data gathering vague and possibly hard to . Still todays research place love on other areas of the brain . All current studies only identified some factors that contribute to the complex process that makes love possible none claimed that they've identified the formula for love .

Logic applies to every single process in the universe , especially to human though . The human brain produces logical thinking , analogical thinking and illogical thinking . Whit no logical process behind love , mercy , altruism or creativity we can only see them as illogical from a scientific point of view simple as that . Yet because you cannot understand this trough a you try to trow them aside as a simplistic logical electro-chemical process . Is it so hard for you to admit that illogical human thinking can be a good thing ? Or will that ruin your current system of beliefs ?

 

I have already explained why love, mercy, altruism and empathy exist naturalistically. Is dishonesty and cowardice your only debate tactic?

Illogical thinking is, by definition, a bad thing.