Does God exist?

Amen sweet, thats actually a very logical being to believe in.

"Over 75% of doctors are spiritual or believe in God, the reason, their brains arent dull and stuck looking at a petri dish most of their life and they are filled with love and compassion, these are spiritual qualities, while atheists are a bit more shallow, it just means they need to get out more "

PS im outta here, these atheists no longer amuse me, very much lacking in intellect. They seem childish. At least the free thinkers forum was a challenge.
God bless you all

 

How about some of the doctors who are using the excuse of prayers, miracles and God just to avoid being blamed by the inevitable death of their patients? Doctors can sometimes be very manipulative and they are very good at it.

 

I believe where there's life there's a part of God there, but does that disagree with your statement pingpong123? With God being in every lifeform, I would think it logical that if every lifeform died then there's no God left either.

Unless you meant 'if we didn't exist but other lifeforms still did', then I could agree with your statement.

IMHO He doesn't exist because of us, He exists whilst there's life in any form. Death to every lifeform means God is dead too.

 

We actually need a God figure to blame on for things that we can not control. So it doesn't really matter if God does exist or not. Doesn't really matter either if the God created us, or we created the God.

 

Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

 

God is the persuasion those alive must follow that still exists without other life but would have no reason for existence without the creation of new life as is the case for those who fail the Everlasting and are replaced by new recruits.....the universe is labour intensive, Volcano's first class specialist reapply at ones own risk - God the Creator.

 

If God does not exist than who made the universe? Can the creation be created by itself? Do you see any example of something being created out of nothing in the universe? Science says matter can neither be created nor be destroyed but it can be converted from one form into other. Same for energy.
So where did all the matter in the universe came from. Who made the energy which caused formation of atoms. Who told energy to condense to form atoms and molecules. Where did gravity, strong force, weak force, electromagnetic force came from. Who set its magnitude and its values which led to a stable universe. Even a very very slight change in any of these forces could not have led to the formation of this universe.
So how can any rational mind think that it all happened by itself, the universe created itself. It may make sense to atheists but not to me. Even if big bang happened because of a process, than what caused that process to lead to the formation of the universe.
Allah says in the Quran that those who reject him don't they see how they have been created from a drop of liquid, how the sky has been created, how the earth has been spread out, the sun, the moon, the stars, animals and plants all in a state of prostration (meaning that they are following the laws prescribed to them). But it is only human beings who are set free, its in our will whether we accept him and prostrate him (follow the way of living set by him) or become astray. Are these signs not big enough for any human being to believe in one creator.

 

Who made God?

 

God is ever existing.

 

The "B" book scripture I believe uses the "word" as existing, having always been and not God.

The Persuasion ("word") given by the Creator has always been and is the matrix for life and the necessity to be followed in achieving the Everlasting or one will perish as a pronouncement from God for understanding.

 

If God can be ever existing then so can universe, you can not have it both way.

 

Go figure, trying to bring logic into a religious argument! - Hey gworld, I hope it starts a craze.

 

Creation can not be created by itself, there has to be a creator.

According to the 1st law of thermodynamics:
"Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed but it can be converted from one form into other"
So where did the energy come from in the first place?
Someone created energy and set the rule that it can not be created, only be converted to another form.

God is one, He is self sufficient, He has no father nor He has any son and there is nothing like Him.

 

A lot of BS, packaged in semi-scientific arguement to explain that you have no proof that God exist.

Univers is one, universe is self sufficient, universe has no father nor has any son and there is nothing like universe. Do you see how easy it is to make up such BS?

 

But science says that there was a time when the universe did not exist. It was created from big bang. Immense energy appeared and condensed to form atoms. These atoms started combining to form planets, stars and galaxies. Time was created and space was created.
So who made all these. Can these be made by themselves, do you see any example of this happening? Anything being made out of nothing?

 

Do you have any proof that God existed before big bang? To most logical people, God is just creation of humans. Just because we don´t know what it was before big bang, doesn´t justify a creature called God who is obsessed with insignificant creatures such as humans.

 

Particles come in to existence all the time. All around you, particles are forming, in pairs, and then disappearing. You are making the mistake of applying the laws of conservation to subatomic quantum events, those laws don't apply there. Those laws apply to food, steam engines, stars and go-carts. Not to sub-atomic quantum particles

You seem to also be making the mistake of using an explanatory agent which violates the law that required it. You don't get to say nothing can come from nothing, therefor god done it, and god came from nothing. Not only is that grossly illogical as your explanation is violating the law that required it, but it's just pushing it all back one step. If the universe can't come from nothing then neither can your god. If your god can come from nothing, then so can the universe.

 

Ok, even if I believe your atheist theory that it just so happened that energy required to bring about matter just came from nowhere. And when it condensed it formed atoms and molecules which further formed planets, stars and galaxies.
Can you realize that a little change in strong force, weak force, electromagnetic force would have made atom to destabilize and matter would have not existed. The universe in which we live has the right value of gravitational constant, a little higher would have made the universe to collapse a little small value would have made the existence of planets and stars impossible. So out of unlimited possibilities from 0 to infinity all of these have exactly the right value to create a perfectly ordered universe. A little change in any of the values would have made the universe non-existent. Can you realize what the probability is for all of these to be perfectly the value required to sustain a universe in an orderly fashion? Can a rational mind call it a coincidence?
A series of events one after the other with each having a possibility of 1/infinity just happened to occur one after the other to make a perfectly ordered and perfectly stable universe? It does not make sense to me.

 

It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, it's a fact. Particles, and therefor energy, spontaneously appear. Sorry of that shot your argument to pieces in an instant, but tough shit.

Well done on reading a ten year old argument and repeating it as though it's an original thought. If my house was painted a slightly different colour it wouldn't be the same house. So what? It's such a facile argument.

 

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There's not a lot 'orderly' here.

Much of it was one after the other because the previous thing allowed for the next. ie: oxygen let life grow, without it we would be stuffed. Now that life can grow, that allowed for the next thing to happen etc. etc. etc. Each step in the chain was required to get where we are. From this side it may look like a perfectly ordered universe but that's only because we are unaware of the billions of 'mistakes' that have happened along the way and could have changed life as we know it, and likely has.