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Do you think many ppl would care about Steve Jobs if.....

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by mt774, Oct 6, 2011.

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    He was black?

    I mean many Americans don't talk much about black influentials such as Fred Hampton and Malcolm X just as their struggle is not relevant for their cause.

    Why so many won't say R.I.P for guy like Fred Hampton as much as Jobs?
     
    mt774, Oct 6, 2011 IP
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    JPC-Zachary Member

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    I do not think that someones death is a racial issue. Look at the difference in acheivements and popularity of who you are comparing. Steve Jobs founded a company who brought products into almost every househould and had the largest company in the U.S. based off of capitalization. The computer that you are on was transformed by Steve Jobs and his inventions.
     
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  3. mt774

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    so which is more important? technological advancements or helping feed poor like Fred Hampton, saving life.
     
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    well how many people know Fred Hampton? I didn't.
     
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    There are a lot of people who feed poor people and save lives everyday. They do not receive coverage because no one knows about it. There are nurses and doctors in every town in the world who keep people a live. They do not get press coverage because they do not look to be a super star. If we are answering the original question it is not about the importance of what you did, it is about how many people knew about it. Everyone knows who Steve Jobs is, everyone knew who Michael Jackson was, etc. If people want to be super stars for savings peoples lives or feeding the poor then they should find a coach that will help them be known around the world. If they really want to help people because they love to do it and it matters then don't worry about how many people notice when you are gone because the most important people already knew how much you meant.
     
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    but shouldn't those nurse and doctors have higher paying salary than athletes, innovators and actors if they are saving life? we can appreciate both but the doctors are doing most important job and should recieve important salaries than entertainers i feel.
     
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    well how come average American only knows about important and less important white figures and not black? i am not saying racism but curious why average Americans only seeming to know Martin Luther King and know one else. why?
     
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    I think that police officers, fire fighters, doctors, nurses, etc. are undercompensated there is no doubt. I think the NBA and football is overcompensated after watching them fight for four to five months after a couple percentage points but at the end of the day it is all about sarcity. There are a lot fewer athletes who can play at the level they do then doctors & nurses. When something is scarce there is a higher price for it. It also doesn't help at the fact that people are willing to pay $30.00 - $250.00 per ticket to see a sporting event. Personally, I'm a baseball guy and the play 162 games a year for most under $2 million for an athlete they are under paid.
     
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    Are you American? We put our first half black man in the white house 3 years ago and everyone knows who he is. Everyone I know, knows who Lebron James is and how about Tiger Woods? Coby Bryant? They are all black and everyone knows who they are. They are not dead yet but they still know. Heck Michael Jackson was actually black before he became white.Maybe, the answer to your question lies in the stats. Based off of where I live 90% of the population is white, 8% is black and the other 2% is another race. If those stay true across and each race produces 0.005% superstar or someone who is notable the white race will have 9x more notable people.
     
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    but i am speaking of important black figures who die for injustices and such; not athletes and pop-figures. i know America open-minded more than England where everything is based on class and incomes but a lot of everyday American seemed oblivious to any civil rights guy other than MLK.
     
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    That was not your question. Your question was Would anyone care about Steve Jobs if he was black. That was the main point that I found an issue with. I'm pretty sure people would still care even if Steve Jobs was black due to the fact that he was an innovator and he changed the world.
     
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    What? Are you freakin serious? First of all, how can you say in your later posts that this is not a racial issue, when it plainly is?? Second of all, Malcolm X is still commemorated to this day. In fact, it was a requirement in high school for my class to read Malcolm X's book. Plenty of people know who he is! Listen, Malcolm X died a long time ago.. do you expect him to be getting the same uproar he did when his death was first confirmed? Trust me, it was a sad day for many when he died and it was a HUGE deal. Third of all, you can't compare a political leader to a tech innovator. Or a doctor to a teacher. Or whatever!

    Look at it this way, the world is a technological haven. Apple is one of the biggest companies out there and almost everyone uses the damn products!!! This is a large scale business and obviously, anything related to the Apple world is going to be recognized world-wide. It has NOTHING to do with race... this is a matter of what is popular now-a-days. People react to the things that are most influential in their lives.
     
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    Thank you. If a black Steve Jobs had actually accomplished the same things he would most definately get the same reaction to his death. In fact, he'd probably even be more commemorated because he was black.
     
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    Just to add the volume of media and # of different channels that exist today compared to then makes a huge different. There are tens of thousands of massive networks who feed into Google News. They all had a peice on Steve Jobs last night. There are forums like DP and WHT that have threads going, there is 600 TV channels talking about it just in my area, radio, newspapers, magazines. This volume of outlets and # of medians did not exist to carry the message.
     
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    Yeah, thats another good point. I didn't think of that. This is a media run world, people!
     
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    But how you can excuse the fact that the average American doesn't know who Fred Hampton is but knows Steve Jobs? it is considered to be ignorant surely?
     
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    i respect steve jobs but fred hampton and others like him were victimised by pro-white american establishments of the times, most kid should know their struggle in same way like mlk or malcolm, agree?
     
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    Uhh, didn't Fred Hampton die a long time ago? Just because you are just now learning about men of history doesn't mean he was not celebrated when he died. Do you realize how many great men have lived througout history? Should we all stop what we are doing and throw a parade for each of them?
     
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    He was a good man who stole our money
     
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  20. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    You're really comparing Steve Jobs to Malcom X?

    Kind of a reach there... And Fred Hampton? Even worse.

    People do not put these guys on that same pedestal because of the content of their character, not because of the color of their skin.
     
    Mia, Oct 6, 2011 IP