Does God exist?

I believe in God, though there was no evidence and no one saw...

 

Keep laughing at yourself..

 

gworld
it could be the 22nd or the 1 million century and the word of God still is true. age does not make truth go away.

JamesColin
how did i apply religious logic? I simply implied that making the proper historic research you can come up with your own conclusion about the veracity of the gospels. if one is disinterested in knowing the truth, if one's mind is already made up that God does not exist, if one is lazy to to do the research, then there's nothing more I can say.

 

Religion is like a virus, see how christianity evolved from judaism and islam from judaism and christianity. Many other variations of the virus has died out. Even judaism has evolved from older myths.

That's why I say that Islam is a better evolved form of religion.. Just look at apostacy and how the concept is dealt with in the religion itself.

Anyway, you don't seem ready or willing to understand that starting from one "holy book" itself and then looking at ways to show it is true is a biased way to go.

I would start from the beginning.. What evidence is there that there is any god?

You'll see quickly that there is none.. Try it and you'll see.

Then after you have realized there is no evidence at all, you can ask yourself "why do I believe a god exists since there is no evidence for its existence?"

But before asking yourself this question you need to have come to the conclusion that there is none.. And of course taking a "holy book" is not an option..

Muslim in their great stupidity only have to say: the evidence of the existence of God is that the Quran has been "written" by God. If there was no God, there wouldn't be a Quran.

See, that's why Islam is a better (because most recent and so improved) version of the older ones.. Like in software a major upgrade

But it's ok to believe in something based on nothing, it's not a problem for me at all, I post here because I just have a lot of free time, that's all.

 

the atheistic mind: there are many faiths in the world: Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and many others... therefore God does not exist! it makes perfect sense. right?

are there any good reasons to believe in God. Yes, there are!
are there any good reasons to believe there is no God. Still waiting......no answer, just say so.

 

Well, you like to take problems in reverse, don't you?

For me the good reason to believe there is no god is that there is no evidence that there is a god.
Nothing absolutely nothing supports the theory that there is a god, except books written to say that there is a god (the famous holy books)
The only reason to believe there is a god is if you believe that those books tell the truth, or even better that one such book has been written by an illetterate man, because God inspired it directly to him. In fact because God, for some reason, decided to write a book via someone.. not because God couldn't produce a book by himself, it would just be another miracle, no, for some reason that we don't know about..
That's the only reason to believe god exists, if you start by another belief, that the holy books tell the truth. But other than that, there is no reason to believe that god exist elsewhere than in the mind of billion people who themselves believe that without any evidence.

So if you're up to believing anything without evidence, then you can believe anything else too.

Can you see how it makes sense? Why can't you?
Brainwashed at a young age? Well that's an excuse I admit it, but still it's not impossible to break free from this, it's just hard. And honestly probably not worth it, since we're just passing by in this existence, so it doesn't matter if you keep on believing it or not, the end result is the same So probably not worth the effort I admit it too.

 

there is no evidence that there is a god.there is no evidence that there is a god.there is no evidence that there is a god.there is no evidence that there is a god.

no matter how many times that is said, it does not make it true.

For me it is self evident that God exists, more than historic reasons; I can also support that life can not come from non life. scientifically the universe had a beginning. going deeper in these other issues will lead to God. as well as if one follows the rules of logic.

to each his own I guess! if a person is believing "there is no God" then this also counts as faith, therefore atheism is also a religion. sorry for the boldness. there are a few atheists that i have seen admitting to this fact even though most don't accept it.

 

ah ok, so now it's self evident.. The more we don't know about something the more it is evidence that God did it.

That's what I said, there is no evidence supporting the existence of God.

And yes faith is exactly that, believe in something without any need for proof. Yes those attheists admitting that atheism is a religion probably admitted it because they were fed up with arguing with you, or because they don't know any better.
Look up the word religion in a dictionary and you'll see that it doesn't apply to atheism.. But who needs a dictionary, surely not someone who doesn't need any evidence to believe in God, right?

I would only remind youthat the burden of proof is on the one who claim something. I remind you that the initial claim is that a God exists. Oh, is it so? Show me the evidence for it.
It's not the way around.. I mean when you're a baby and you come into this world, you have adults coming to you and telling you there is a God. At this moment you should ask for the evidence to support their claim, but at childhood you're very vulnerable, because you have so much to learn that you need some trust, some faith, in your parents, maybe teachers, etc.

But whatever, this thread could go on and on, already 44 pages.. There's no point really.. you want to believe something, ok, whatever.. But don't talk about logic and evidence, simply admit that you're believing about this God out of faith and be proud of that, don't try the logic and evidence bullshit.. What for? Because you would be ashamed of believing in something withou evidence? There's no shame in that.. I mean they are many things more shameful than that I can think of!

 

atheism like many other religions relies on faith. it IS a belief system. it is the belief that God does not exist. moreover the kind of faith atheism requires is completely blind. there are no arguments supporting atheism, it is simply say so. all it does is try to refute the arguments for theism.

theism has arguments. I have found Christianity makes perfect sense in comparing scripture, and how I view the real world. so I can really say that my faith is not blind, but reasonable. my faith is supported by strong compelling arguments.

people are to decide which worldview to adopt: theism or atheism. world statistics show that blind faith(atheism) is embraced by the minority. I don't think most us are delusional. in fact, i do think the least of us are.

 

What arguments??? BS doesn´t count. I agree your faith is not blind, it is simply moronic and stupid.

 

This topics was 1 of my favorites . This is what I'd asked to myself and debated with other people .

1st. The question is "God makes People" or "People makes God". My answer is "People makes God", because people didn't find the answer to answer the things that isn't logical. E.g. Which one's born first, Chicken or Chic? <- the answer's going on looped because we don't know which 1 comes first. So to makes this easier, we can just call it "God Creates em". This question given to me when i was searching for the God existence and this makes me into an Atheist. Well there's a lot of question back then.

2nd. God is a man or a woman? How big is God? The skin color? The race". When someone asked me this, i can't answered em. Why? No Evidence and Illogical. I believed in God back then and was asked by someone with same religion and told me that our religion doesn't believe in God. Well, this makes me confused for quite long time because my own believe told me that they don't believe in god.

3rd. "Spirits" or "Life". When a baby born, how can he/she be alive? who gave him/her a "things" to live. This "things" is the thing that we can't understand. So, because we didn't know the answer, we call em "God gave Life to him/her". This question comes to my mind and i'd argue with my Atheist friend which we can't even answer because of illogical. This is when i was thinking that there must be an answer to the illogical thing that we cannot understand in our present state and mind.

4th. Evidence? Proofs? E.g. "Galileo Galilei" Sentenced to Home Arrest for the entire life because of his Theory "Copernican theory of the planets was right not the Ptolemaic" because The Catholic Church didn't approved this. One of the thesis spread is that " Earth's shapes is Circle" while the church said "Earth is flat". Believing in things with no evidence might be good but well quite a drawback to Galileo. Until the Neil Armstrong got into the Moon and found out that Earth sure is Circle. Well this is quite annoying for the believer because they believed in the Church which is "Earth is Flat" while they found out that there is an evidence that Earth is not Flat. This is 1 thing that i'm sure that there must be an answer to things which we answer em with the term " Only God Knows It".

5th. I do think that the term of "God" is just for Scaring People to not do anything bad. "Don't Kill people" if you believe in God, u will afraid that u will get into Hell while u want to go to Heaven. The term "Scaring" might not be the best word to describe this coz i don't know how to describe it. Well now, believing in God doesn't makes people won't do bad thing like killing people. Killing someone -> go to church and get into this box thing for confessing their sins then the Pasteur says -> You've been given a Forgiveness of your sins, don't do that anymore. In term of beliefs, he/she might be forgiven by the church and the god they beliefs while the world sees em as murdering and must be sentenced to jail or something. E.g. Christian kill Christian = Same Religion. The murderer come to church for forgiveness on killing a guy with same belief. This doesn't make any sense. The god forgives the guy who killed their own brother of beliefs whose belief in the same God. Well, quite a typical story but yes there are.

Well there's a lot of thing if i want to tell em all. but the thing is that, People has their own choice to make. U can belief in God or u wont belief God, Evidence or no Evidence etc = Your Choice to make. For me, i choose to not belief in the term of "Creator" but i belief in Spirits, gods and after life. I belief in Karma, i used to be an Atheist but my current belief is the perfect form to describe all the things that cant be answer. It just whether people understand the true meaning or not, that's the problem. Like the guy who was on the same religion as mine said, this guy didn't really understand the thing and told me "No God in our Religion" its just the term of "God" is different from the other religion. "Just be Good" is the answer. no matter u are a believer or non believer, how can a good guy without a religion get into the hell? if this so, God is not Loving and Forgiveness rite?

Don't fight each other because of the way of thinking is different. It won't gives u any credit or something. but i don't think the "Evangelist" will approve this thou

 

God is not made by man. Idols are made by God. Idols are not god. "The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts." (Revelations 9:20 - 21 KJV)"And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God." (Exodus 20:1 - 4)"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse." (Romans 1:20 KJV)

 

You are assuming that intelligent people give a rat ass about what is said in Bible, it is only a stupid old book full of inaccuracy and BS.

 

I learnt on Stephen Fry's Q.I. last night that there's actually 14 commandments in Exodus 20 and not 10 - and there are 263 commandments altogether. Why do we all think there's only 10?

I also note:
Ex 20: 13 Thou shalt not kill.
Ex 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

Yet people here change Ex 20:13 "kill" to mean murder though Ex:21:12 backs up the "kill" statement made earlier.

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Why do you quote the bible if you believe you are God?

 

Why not? It is as worthwhile source as any other written word. God supplied the bible to me so I call upon it when convenient, a bit like wikipedia, the bible is widely read and believed and can be referenced any time, by anyone.

 

So which God is this, because I thought you are God. Is there more than 1 God?

 

Yeah, 7 billion and counting...

 

100 billion creatures combine to create 1 God, my brothers.

 

How did you arrive at your conclusion?