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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by rentdn, Feb 28, 2012.

  1. #1
    Yeah back 2-3 years ago this was the best forum which I've known

    But now it become a tool for spammers and scammers. I'm meeting serious webmasters less and less :( and it's really pity . High volume domain and website buyers are almost gone ,
    Mods for some reason become too ignorant and sometimes you can get infractions without even a reason

    Spam is everythere and nobody cares about it.
    Just place WTB travel link PR5+ in link sales section and during 1 hour you'll be spammed with at least 50 unrelated pms which have nothing common with your title

    Ads are everythere

    Ah whatever , I guess Shawn might be concerned and not me
     
    rentdn, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  2. lifeplayer

    lifeplayer Notable Member

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    Too bad to say that i gotta agree with you.
    DP are getting more and more member but less and less good member
    Wish all those good member will come back
     
    lifeplayer, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  3. craptester

    craptester Banned

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    #3
    i all agree with you. but over all.. DP is a very good place.. we just have to be more vigilant in our own threads.. and to those people who are destroying DP
     
    craptester, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  4. Digital_shubhi

    Digital_shubhi Illustrious Member

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    #4
    Those who send these kinda PMs, not related to topic should be banned for 1 month atleast.. So that they don't do it again or else permanent ban.
    Do report them whenever you get them.
     
    Digital_shubhi, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  5. rentdn

    rentdn Well-Known Member

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    @ Digital_shubi

    Actually I've done so and guess what ? I've reported 5 100% spammers non of them get banned , so I decided to give it up.
     
    rentdn, Feb 28, 2012 IP
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    andrej Notable Member

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    #6
    Even in spite of that, I still like DP.
     
    andrej, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  7. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    If things are so bad and you no longer like it,then why are you still on here posting? I would have presumed that someone as dissatisfied as you would have simply left DP............problem solved.
     
    Spoiltdiva, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  8. jm07656

    jm07656 Guest

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    Hey everyone,Although I am new here I can identify with what you are saying. I am apart of a basketball forum that I have been signed up with for about 2 years now. It was a small little forum at first, but over time I started to see the quantity of members go up, and the quality of members of members go down. Bad members are hard to ignore because they come in such large quantities nowadays. What we have to do is step up our efforts on getting the community to the way we want it to be. If it means taking the extra mile, or just leaving. This community belongs to the people who actually want to learn and contribute, and we should take it upon ourselves to ensure our community is to our liking. I hope that I can bring some optimism because although im new, I can say I am glad to have the people that have been here for a while, and know what they are talking about. I would hate to see them turn a cold shoulder on the community, or even worse leave the community.
     
    jm07656, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  9. Spoiltdiva

    Spoiltdiva Acclaimed Member

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    @jm07656
    There are 500,000 members on DP,of which 50,000 are active members.(regular posters).Even if more mods were hired there is no way to control spammers with this number of members.
    "ALL" sites have to deal with this.The more popular DP becomes,the more spammers we will get.It's the unfortunate price we pay for using this great site.

    But the quality of members here on DP is still the highest I've seen anywhere,which is why this is the primary site I use.
    I'm glad you wish to add to the site and are optomistic.You have the right attitude.:)
     
    Spoiltdiva, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  10. igotu

    igotu Greenhorn

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    agree with op
     
    igotu, Feb 28, 2012 IP
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    lifeplayer Notable Member

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    DP is still the best but no doubt that the quality is dropping compare to previous time, just wish it back to previous time
     
    lifeplayer, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  12. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #12
    You post in an area that by nature is spam (link sales), and you are surprised when you get spammy responses? Like Politics & Religion, the link sales section was created only to keep that crap out out of the other areas.
     
    digitalpoint, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  13. rentdn

    rentdn Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Shawn

    But I'm not sharing your opinion at all , you can close your eyes and say that everything is perfect but that's not true , 2-3 year back it was good place for link builders, I still have some clients referred from your website ( they are building links for ( thomascook, expedia ), but they are not using this forum anymore, what do you think why ? I do not argue that link selling is spam itself in google's eye , but nowadays many big player are still doing it and it not gonna to disappear for a while

    I've been here for around 6 years I've used this forum not only for link sales , it was just an example look at domain sales , site sales ( most of those are full with scam ) or not talking about pagerank update threads. I'm not saying that there are no good ones , just these are getting lost in the dust. I remember 2 year back I' was using this forum to buy domains and websites , but now your competitors taken over you in both niches

    Recently ( 2-3 month ago ) I was recovered from 6 month ban - which I've received for duplicated account but I swear I've never used duplicated account ever and never had one. I've always been premium member since this feature was offered, but tell me why I should continue membership because some cool mod is banning me without any reason ?

    I love this forums and that why I've created this thread to point out the problems which I feel needed to be considered.
     
    rentdn, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  14. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #14
    No one claimed everything is perfect. Anyone who believes that about *anything* thinks that whatever it is can't be improved. If you believe that about anything, you are destined to fail.

    Either way... Personally I think buying/selling links is just plain silly (I'm not disputing the fact that people do it... clearly they do from the traffic in the Link Sales area).

    I've also mulled the idea of just getting rid of that section completely since well... it's spammy. For now, it's going to stay... but there are some ideas I'm working on that should cut down drastically on crap within B/S/T.

    The best way to look at it is like link sellers being like drug dealers... If you are out looking to buy drugs, don't be surprise if you find yourself surrounded by crackheads. "OMG, I'm just trying to buy some quality crack and all I'm finding is shady drug dealers!" :)

    Thankfully, link sales and domain sales aren't the foundation of this site (nor were they ever). I wouldn't say anyone overtook us because we were never in a high enough position to *be* overtaken. The reality is that this site was around for about 10 years before there was a forum. Yes, the forum has grown in popularity, but it was originally started because we needed a support venue for our existing users.

    Now that's not to say we don't care about the forum... In fact you are going to see some of the biggest changes to it ever in the next few months. But thinking link selling sites have overtaken us is just plain silly since that's not what we are. It's like claiming ESPN has overtaken our Sports sub-section. :)

    Not that it matters at this point, but we don't ban people for "no reason".

    [​IMG]

    It's appreciated, but I can tell you right now link sales will never EVER be a focus of this site. There is a higher chance of it's complete removal from this site.
     
    digitalpoint, Feb 28, 2012 IP
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    cliqflip Active Member

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    I just signed up and love it
     
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    rentdn Well-Known Member

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    I got your point and I'm glad that improvements are coming.

    What about this screenshot - Look at dates man it was created back in 2009 ( I was banned in 2011 ) and in that thread I was reselling a domain. Even in that thread I've never mentioned that domain belongs to me or I'm the owner of email address . I'm pretty sure that domain reselling was allowed at the time of creation sales thread, but despite of that I got banned for 6 month. So again I'll state that I was banned 100% without any reason. At least mod who banned me had to check the IPs which I'm sure he/she did not even bother to do.

    I understand mistakes can happen , but that's why some kind of trust might be given to group of members who have been around here for a while ( or at least premium members who you've paid ) , you can't not agree with me that it's not same - member who had signed up yesterday and who had signed up 5 years ago , or that free member and paid member will have similar chances to be scammers or spammers.
     
    rentdn, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  17. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #17
    My point was only that is was not done "without any reason". Whether or not it was a "right" reason is open to argument. Staff certainly doesn't take pleasure in giving infractions, and certainly doesn't give them randomly for no reason. If you would have contacted us, we could have looked into it and possibly reversed it if it was warranted (people make mistakes... plenty of infractions have been reversed).

    As far as not explicitly stating you own the domain you are selling or the email, you also didn't explicitly say you didn't... and I would say it would be a more common assumption that someone owns something they are selling unless they say otherwise. Either way, it's a bit pointless now anyway since the infraction is already expired. But I do stand by the fact that we don't give infractions/ban users for no reason. If you can't see how you may have been mistaken as a duplicate account, well... not sure what to say.

    Premium membership does not make a user magically more trustworthy. If we treated premium members as automatically trustworthy, all you would end up with is scammers/spammers buying premium membership and then it's all moot anyway Believe it or not, the point of premium membership isn't for us to maximize profits.
     
    digitalpoint, Feb 28, 2012 IP
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    rentdn Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't able to contact since I had to create a duplicated account for doing it and that would serve another reason for not reversing infractions.

    Premium membership does not make a user magically more trustworthy - yes you're right , but it's a signal that member is taking care about his/her account and paid member's "average quality score" will be much higher then free ones.

    If this upgrade is neither made for maximizing revenue nor for providing those members extra level of "trust/power/advantage" call it whatever you'll like in my opinion those are all same, then why not to remove it at all ? or what was the reason creating this level-group ?

    I understand this forum became way too big and it's very hard to control, but again my personal opinion is that diversifying level groups of member will really improve this forum a lot.
     
    rentdn, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  19. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #19
    Premium membership serves many purposes... Rather than sell products/services individually, it's simpler to just roll it into premium membership. The 3 biggest reasons people buy premium membership have nothing to do with the forum.

    Extra features in the Keyword Tracker (which has been around longer than the forum itself): http://tools.digitalpoint.com/tracker

    Extra features in the Phone Home tool: http://tools.digitalpoint.com/phonehome

    Access to the search engine we built for this site (used by 90-95% of the largest vB4 sites): http://products.digitalpoint.com/vbulletin-sphinx-search.php

    Treating premium members automatically as less spammy/more trustworthy would just be a setup for failure. All you would end up with is spammers/scammers buying more premium memberships.
     
    digitalpoint, Feb 28, 2012 IP
  20. cPAce

    cPAce Peon

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    Nice to see Shawn on here still active as ever. I miss talking to you Shawn, ever since I let my premium membership expire, I haven't talked to you. I do think these forums have changed since the time when I first started using them but I do like the community a lot. Sure there is spammers and scammers, but they are trolling all forums right now because they have nothing better to do.

    But overall, I will be on DigitalPoint for years to come.
     
    cPAce, Feb 28, 2012 IP