Does God exist?

I do, i believe that God exist. We don't know all until we die. But, why we want to believe it till we past away?

 

absolutely.. you would'nt be in this world if God does not exist

 

I wouldn't be in this world if my parents hadn't existed. There's still no actual objective evidence that any god has ever existed. (The fact that you can't figure out how the universe can exist without a god creating it isn't evidence that a god exists, it's just evidence that you don't know everything. If your reasoning were correct, there would be many gods - ancient man couldn't figure out how the sun could go across the sky every day unless the sun god pulled it across, so that's evidence - by your method of reasoning - that the Sun God also exists.)

 

Right it just so happens that we got that one chance out of 10[SUP]130[/SUP] and that each and every civilization believed in a form of God . You're not even convinced of your own words , if you didn't believed in God you wouldn't waste your time arguing about His existence .

 

Maybe, maybe not, but "I don't know" (which is your TOTAL argument, isn't evidence of anything more than than you don't know. It's less evidence that there's a god than my computer is evidence that snails don't have fur.

The main problem here is that most of you people don't know the difference between "evidence" and "I want it to be true". The fact that primates can't produce ascorbic acid is evidence that humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor. The fact that you don't know how the universe came to be (who says it had to come to be?) isn't evidence of anything more than your lack of knowledge. Sorry if that makes you feel inadequate, but when reality and your beliefs contradict each other, it's not reality that's wrong.

 

Many early cultures believed in god or gods because they couldn't explain anything that was happening around them. Now that we have science these primitive thoughts are slowly buy surely becoming less popular. Believe it or not, religion is going to be looked at as laughable and taboo in the not so distant future. Most definitely not within our lifetimes, but don't worry give it a couple more centuries.

 

You mean that in a few centuries it'll be looked at by almost all as it is by many already. (There will always be a few who insist that the planet is flat too.)

 

You didn't finished highschool did you ? You forgot how in mathematics you demonstrate the veridicity of theory by assuming it is false . This is the same thing . Funny how you can conjure up semantics and random facts but you can't recall some simple math .

Let's kill two birds with one shot . Man isn't machine and as much as you two would like to see a atheist planet that's not gonna happen , unless it's backed by a iron fist regime atheists fails quickly and miserably . The only thing that atheism campaigning achieves is to reduce the number of Christians , Hindus and some of the Buddhists . Meanwhile the number of wahabi jihadists is literally skyrocketing . So in a few centuries pray (pun intended) that the situation is unchanged otherwise it will be your children's blood spilled by the islamofascits . Again funny how the atheists can be so blind to simple facts like the ongoing global jihad .

 

If you had finished high school, you would know that it's "you didn't finish high school" (not "finished highschool"). Pot, kettle, black.

1) "Verdicity"?

2) There's no "theory of god", there's just an assertion that some exist, and you don't disprove assertions, you ignore them (which sane people do with assertions about gods). Where's your proof that Zeus didn't create everything? ("God did, so Zeus didn't" is an assertion, not proof.)

In case you didn't notice, the grammatically nonsensical semantic argument is yours. My only argument is that you have none.

You're not comfortable with English, are you? It's "stone", not "shot".

But he is capable of logic. You're just refusing to use any.

Not for a very long time. But in a few hundred years, all gods will seem as silly to most people as the Sun God seems to most people today.

Which is why about 10% of the population has been atheist since ... well, since the Greeks created the word? (Which is why they created it, you know.) Long before even a thought of the Roman Republic crossed anyone's mind? (Certainly long before anyone made up a Son of God who came to save the world from a hell they had to create for us to be saved from.)

And anyone else who's stuck in a "flat Earth" lack of mentality.

Which makes religious belief a good thing, huh? You're in favor of more suicide bombers? Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.

Or there won't be any Islamofascists, Christofascists, Hindufascists - or any other religious fascists, and no one's blood will be spilled. Atheism never made anyone spill blood. Not having a particular belief isn't a motivating factor. Has your lack of belief in Ahuramazda ever motivated you to do anything?

We're not blind to the fact that religious belief makes some people kill others. It's theism that makes you blind to the fact that theism kills.

 

Just because something hasn't been proven yet doesn't mean that it isn't possible. Sounding arrogant doesn't make you any more correct than anyone else. And people wonder why others can't stand talking to some atheists. It's because they intentionally act superior.

 

It's hard not to act superior when the other side is flat out delusional. I mean seriously if I worshiped big foot and thought he created the universe you would think I'm crazy too.

 

@Rukbat You amuse me , you're suppose to champion logic and science and yet you haven't posted one single argument in your entire post .

Here's the logic , we are presented with A = B , to confirm this theory we assume that A =! B and we prove that A =! B is false . Therefore A = B is true .

Now please enlighten us on how did you reached a conclusion on the "10% of the world is atheists since the time of the Ancient Greeks" .

Now allow me to show you some of the blessings of atheism :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_Warsaw_Pact_countries



So you can preach your theories to the masses of suicidal hippies not to someone that experienced the benefits of atheism .

 

Oh come on what a piss poor argument. You're going to show pictures of atheists supposedly killing Christians? Should I even mention the Crusades where Christians butchered Musims....or Hitler who was a Christian killing jews? Or how about Muslims killing Jews in the present day...or Jews killing Muslims in Palestine. Are you sure you want to bring up religious genocide? More people have died in the name of their god than anything else in the world.

 

Yes I really want to bring that up . Especially since you're making a ignoramus history soup . I don't care for all religions , I only care for my religion . I must admit that there's a fierce competition for the #1 spot China , NK , Belarus and a few others are scoring points for atheism while the jihadists are scoring points for Islam . So it's not really clear who killed more Jihadists or Atheists . The muslims have a historical advantage but atheists recovered the handicap in less then a century .

Now let mention the Crusades and let see what they where . Where they wars started due to political pressure ? Nope . Where they for the securing of strategic points or resources ? Nope . Did they let to massive territorial conquests ? Nope . Where they counter-strikes that where launched to free the Christians living in the Middle East ? Hmm I think that might be it . Yes they did have plenty of flaws and the notion of crusade was used a few times for political revenge but the Crusades that struck the Middle East where nothing more then a relief effort for those that lived under a iron hand . A hand that slowly choked them thorough the ages . So it wasn't the big bad Christians butchering the Muslim majority , it was simply a Christian strikeforce that freed the Cristian majority from a invading Muslim minority .

Jews beeing killed by Hitler had nothing to do with religion , it was a simple matter of economic control and scapegoating . As for Jews killing Muslims in Israel please elaborate on how a nation should not defend itself from military and terrorist attacks .

One of the fundamental principles of science is "Question everything" . You might want to use it .

 

Thank you for reminding me why I don't debate with theists If I were to debunk every inaccurate fact you just stated I'd grow old on this forum.

 

Since my entire post is "I don't know how it can be unless my god exists" isn't evidence that your god exists (but that's all the "evidence" you posted), I rest my case. Let me know when you post some actual evidence. No theories - just the undeniable fact that what you presented as evidence of your god is just evidence of your ignorance of how things can exist with no god creating them.

@Rub3x:
Add the fact that, while no one ever killed due to not believing in this god or that, many have killed due to belief in some god or other. Theism kills - atheism never has. (Nor has not believing in Casper the Friendly Ghost ever caused anyone to kill - and if anyone claims it ever did, it would bee as stupid as claiming that atheism does.)

 

Yes because your arguments can't stand a little debate and a bit of history . How scientific of you . You sound like those failed sectarian preachers that turn their back on you and threaten as they leave that "You'll be the one burning in hell" .

So you deny that atheists proclaimed that "Religion is poison" and then actively targeted and killed millions of priests just because they where priests . You also deny the intentional destruction of thousands of churches ?

 

Isn't it odd that god, unlike everything else in our universe, has been put into a special category? Why is that ? Its because god must remain hidden. If he proved his existence, that would take away faith, that said, any object that provides no evidence for its existence is classified as imaginary.

 

Hidden ? Not , but I don't think we'll be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt His existence . If everyone was sure that God existed it would take away free will . Everyone will be paralyzed by fear . We would still have free will but it would be kind of living in a jail cell . Some people will realize that God's presence doesn't mean that we should fear Him . However given the frail nature of man I'd say that the majority would be prettified with fear . Humanity would be similar to a mass of great AIs that run in an environment that prevents them from functioning at their full capacity .

 

Not due to their lack of belief in your Majik Pixy. The largest killing of theists? By Christians. Both historically (the Crusades, the Hundred Years' War, the 30 Years' War) and more recently (Armenia and Hitler).

MANY more priests, and MANY more churches, have been destroyed by those who thought them of the wrong flavor of the religion, than of those who were areligious.

If he objectively existed, there would be objective evidence (which is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt"). That's the nature of actual existence - there's actual evidence. The only "evidence" of something that subjectively exists (which is what gods do) is the claims of those who believe in them.

You don't have free will now. Think you do? Will yourself to be a seagull.

Not fear of a god worth worshiping. If the best he can do is bully us into believing, he's no better than the 15 year old kid who steals the 13 year old's lunch money. (No god has ever been more moral than the men who invented it.)

Your god created us with a "frail nature"? Why? To be able to control us through fear? That doesn't sound like the creator of everything, it sounds like men who made up a story about a creator.

Read your Bible - you're SUPPOSED TO fear your god. If you didn't you wouldn't be part of your religion and the religious hierarchy would have to work or starve. The people who invent gods aren't stupid.

Our "full capacity" for killing anyone who believes in the wrong god, or in the right god but in the wrong way. No, can't have us lose that full capacity. Why, universal peace might just break out - and then where would we all be? No one would be more equal than anyone else. What a terrible, immoral world that would be, huh?