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Discussion in 'Web Hosting' started by sarahk, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. #1
    A question for you running web hosting businesses

    I've got a client who buys pricey but shared hosting through his telco who outsource the hosting to another well known company. The telco has taken responsibility for the domain registration of his main business domain for more than 10 years. Domain renewals used to be sent to an employee who paid the fee and oncharged the customer.

    Last year the employee left and it appears his email account has been untouched since so last week my client had the unpleasant experience of sending out 4000 promo emails and having his site disappear hours later.

    In the end he had to give his Amex card number to a bewildered employee to get the domain reinstated.

    My thoughts on this, and they may be completely unreasonable, is that there should have been a process that alerted the telco when a domain was about to expire with an extract from their CRM showing how many years the site had been with them, the credit rating of the customer and an indication of the traffic volumes. You can't be chasing all your customers when they let a domain lapse but if a guy is a good payer with steady traffic and has been with you for years surely he warrants a phone call to check if he really wants his domain to expire?

    Or should they just rely on a single employee to renew domains and rely on handover when/if that employee leaves?
     
    sarahk, Mar 16, 2014 IP
  2. YJunK

    YJunK Active Member

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    I find that your thoughts on this are completely reasonable, but unfortunately not many work like this. I completely agree with you, as I think that's how they should work.
     
    YJunK, Mar 17, 2014 IP
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    paullopez Active Member

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    You should encourage your client to inform this scenario to the management team of Telco. I hope they will take required steps to improve their customer services.
     
    paullopez, Mar 17, 2014 IP
  4. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    I'm asking what the folk who offer web hosting actually do - is what happened to my customer normal? There are lots of hosting management systems, do some have more safeguards than others?
    At the end of the day it could be the difference between your client showering you with gifts or your client moving to a new supplier.
     
    sarahk, Mar 18, 2014 IP
  5. RonBrown

    RonBrown Well-Known Member

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    Might sound reasonable, but a little far fetched. Domains are sold for just a few dollars with tiny tiny profit margins and larger domain registrars have millions of domains with many being renewed at the appropriate time and a large number never being renewed again. The cost of a telephone call and the time it might take someone to make the call and find an appropriate person to check whether they wanted the domain renewed would wipe-out any profit made - actually, it would end up costing the company money.....that's why the process is automated so prices are kept low.

    Domain renewal is automated with reminder messages being sent at regular intervals to the client. It's not the domain registrars job to pre-guess their clients intentions on whether they will want to renew their domain or not, or whether the client has mismanaged their own domain renewal because a single person was responsible for managing it and that person has now left. The fact that the registrar will hold onto the domain for a few days after expiry and immediately re-enable the domain for a client when they realize what has happened (usually when their site and email stops working) seems to me to be reasonable and fair. To expect more is probably asking too much.

    Smaller companies may operate like you want when they have a personal relationship with their clients and know they are still in business when the domain is due to expire and may contact someone else in the company to prompt them, but for big registrars it's a numbers game, and personal service and micromanagement like that isn't going to happen.
     
    RonBrown, Mar 20, 2014 IP
  6. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    In my example it was the hosting company - they are making good money every month and if they had access to the data that should be at their fingertips they could contact the top 10% who were about to let a domain expire. The system need only alert them when the domain has still been getting traffic and the client has been with them >x years.

    Even an extra email would be good - after all if you are managing the client's domain registration for them then they haven't been receiving all those automated emails.
     
    sarahk, Mar 20, 2014 IP
  7. MikeLugar

    MikeLugar Well-Known Member

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    I dealt with a problem similar to this before with another large company. I now require all of my new clients to use my server, mail server, and dns server as I setup and manage all of them myself. I then have full control of everything and don't rely on any hosting providers, to mess something up.

    Stuff falls through the cracks occasionally especially with large companies, it's all about minimizing issues down the road.
     
    MikeLugar, Mar 20, 2014 IP
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    Rado_ch Well-Known Member

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    Generally you are correct, however there are some reasons which make this unreasonable for both parts.

    First of all, with the hosting company there is a mixture of client types:
    Client A buys hosting+free domain -> when renewal comes and hosting is paid for, domain is automatically renewed
    Client B buys hosting but keeps domain with previous registrar -> company not responsible for domain
    Client C buys hosting and later transfers domain too -> domain and hosting have different expiration dates and notifications are needed for both

    So what most decent hosts do is send a few automated emails before renewal is due, so the customer has enough time to react. However, apart from that, the clients have an Account where all products and their expiration dates should be displayed. Now if you add phone calls to that equation, apart from the few happy and grateful clients you will get a lot of not-so-happy responses because:

    - if I am a respected businessman I would certainly be keeping an eye on my renewals
    - I already saw the emails and Account but I am just waiting for the last possible minute, so those constant reminders start to annoy me
    - if I have decided to drop it I would get irritated that I am constantly being contacted even when I am ignoring the reminders

    Of course those are just possible scenarios I've all experienced during my work with many webhosts. Now, for your case, the best idea would've been whenever ANY employee with any kind of admin access leaves, all usernames and passwords should be retrieved beforehand. And from what I understood you did not have access to the admin emails, but did you not have access to the hosting account at all? Because if that is the case you probably should've alerted the host beforehand and find a way to change ownership of the account itself.

    In any ways, there are a LOT of webhosting companies, all with different policies and procedures. I am all up for constant communication with clients and building not only work relations but genuine trust and friendship. I have the pleasure of working for a company like that, but sadly I do seem to live in a romantic and untarnished world and many players out there don't seem to think the same way :)
     
    Rado_ch, Mar 20, 2014 IP
  9. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    You'd think so, right? I wonder what his previous employer (the hosting company) thought he'd been doing all those years.
    For some reason there are a few hosts down here who don't give their users any form of control panel. Drives me nuts and this is one of them.
    My client was blissfully unaware that his business was at the mercy of a single ex-employee. He's taking back control of the domain. I always recommend separating hosting from registration and handling registration yourself.
     
    sarahk, Mar 20, 2014 IP
  10. Rado_ch

    Rado_ch Well-Known Member

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    Ah yes, you would be surprised how many times the case of the "Disappearing Webmaster" happens in the hosting world, its quite the master trick :)
    Your recommendation is absolutely valid, though if the host is trusted, professional and they provide client area for better management, there is no reason not to put those eggs in one basket, still it will be easier to manage if all is in one place. ;)
     
    Rado_ch, Mar 20, 2014 IP