25 YR Old man hanged in Singapore for Drugs

F it, I responded. Whatever, if you honestly think what you're saying is reality please continue to feel that way. I give up on this thread as well as it's obvious you simply are set one way and will not listen to any reason at all. We both do not like the drug, we both wish to help the addict, you however think that banning and throwing the addict to the curb and criminals is the best route which I do not!

 

Alcohol is pain killer they used to use it as anesthetic for surgery back in the old days

People kill themselves and other with alcohol regulary. Just because they don't inject doesn't chage the harm it does.

Because the conservatives used to believe in small government, and government should stay out of peoples lives. Personal responsibility and all that.

 

Great point! I'm sure most republicans wont believe it but I usually consider myself a republican over a democrat if I have to choose one side. However I do find it funnier than hell when they try to pull the 'personally responsibility' crap, yet have no problem with laws such as the one being discussed. I hate to say it, but it's kind of a lose all credibility stance IMO. Maybe it should be retermed personal responsibility as long as it agrees with their stance?

 

just to throw in a piece found on AI's blog:
http://blogs.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty

Friday, December 2, 2005
U.S. shares shameful company with other top executing countries

Amnesty's International's statements are reprinted in the Irish Examiner:

"Amnesty International today condemned as 'absolutely shocking' the execution of the 1,000th prisoner in the United States since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976[...]Kate Allen, Amnesty’s U.K. director, said: 'It is absolutely shocking that the USA has executed its 1,000th prisoner in modern times – a shameful record that puts the USA in the same company as countries like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Vietnam.'"

 

hrblcantra wrote:

It's not i am giving up but just wasn't up to it anymore yesterday, we do need to sleep sometimes and i am not set one way as you put because i do listen to your reasoning and i find your stance about legalization and containing the problem quite plausible but not exactly the way you see it.

Free heroine legalization is not an option because of the costs that goes with it, however with free ''safer refined'' heroine if it does provide the same high is certainly a very plausible way to contain and destroy illegal heroine trade. But is it plausible to make such a product?

Paid legalization is not an plausible option and legalizing original heroine that is availble in any country is totally insane.

 

Wanna say one more time "Good he was hanged!", Better hang one than 1000 kids!
And I think that all drug dealers, if this is 20gr Heroin or 400gr heroin must be killed!

 

But what if he's innocent? I'm 95% sure that he is innocent, someone just putted drugs in his bag because they were enemies(or just mean).

 

You made a very good point here Latehorn. In this particular case however the individual in question wanted to help out or something i believed someone saying, if it's true i don't know.

People can also be forced to do these type of things because of fear there relatives will be killed or hurt very badly after being kidnapped.
Or like you said before it could be put in their bags without them knowing. it wouldn't be the first time.

 

Right, I would definitely be interested in seeing a transcript of the trial that put his life to an end.

 

What is with idiot australians getting in trouble in the far east and then people acting like they deserve some mercy. The rules and laws are well-known for some of those countries. To deliberately go do something you know the penalty is potentially death makes you a moron, and potentially quite deserving of extreme punishment.

Perhaps people in Australia have never seen Midnight Express? Regardless, when you go to a foreign country you abide by their laws. It is not epcot center where your home rules and laws apply.

Would you like someone coming to your country violate YOUR laws and then claim they deserve lesser punishment because their country doesn't share your views? Of course not. You would tell them to go get stuffed.

 

Myby not you but some weirdo. Why not? You can be sure that you wont get caught if you do this instead of a primary killing.

 

vulcano,

I agree I am against the death penalty I think its out dated and medieval , and barbaric. Especially since they kill the wrong people every so many times.

aeiuo

Yes the are free to make their own laws, and people have to obey them, but that doesn't mean people can't call them backwards third world assholes. The Saudis cut off peoples heads for being homos, its their laws but its still BS,

Edz and Mia

So far most of the people who have argued in favor of the present drug laws or tougher drug laws have made the arguments from mostly an emotional stance. Drugs are bad we need to punish people involved with drugs because something happened to my friend, family whatever.

The things you haven't facts you haven't addressed it that present laws aren't working, the bad things that happened to your families or friends HAPPENED and are happening with drug laws as they are. SO OBVIOUSLY they haven't worked. the present system is not doing anything but mostly filling prisons and creating second class citizens. And costing something like $100 billion a year in tax money.

 

Saudis and many muslim countries are usually very tough when dealing with these kind of things.

 

and it makes more sense to give people a needle at let them inject themselves with drugs?

 

yo-yo, i can't believe how incredibly uncompassionate you are. it really shows ignorance and your lack of exposure to this type of thing.

Right, they made a stupid choice once or maybe a few times. But at some point they lost control, and they are no longer doing something they want to do. They are no longer making a choice. Therefore it is completely wrong to say "people choose to do drugs, whatever it's their problem." They "chose" to do drugs (CHOSE as opposed to CHOOSE). They are no longer choosing.

Calm down there, champ. I'm not blaming anyone else for anything. I'm saying it's a terrible situation and I feel very sorry for drug addicts (don't know why you are using the word "YOU" as if I'm a drug addict for posting this).

As an example, consider someone who has something terrible happen to them and falls into depression. They may lose control and do something they shouldn't have done a few times (i.e. highly addictive drugs). This could lead to a physical/mental addiction, and a loss of choice. Some people genuinely lose control, and I believe that it is our responsibility (from an ethical standpoint) to help them.

You are putting words into my mouth that I don't agree with--I never said anything about blame; that's not what my post was about.

 

ferret77

I think you misunderstood me or confused my post with someone elses argument. I didn't comment on who should be allowed to do drugs and who shouldn't. All I said was that there are many drug users who aren't choosing do be drug users; they are addicted and have lost control physically and/or mentally.

 

feret77

I did? Would you mind quoting me to refresh my memory? I didn't say anything like that.

 

Would you rather they used a dirty needle or a clean needle? We obviously can't stop them from doing it but we can make it safer.

 

Maybe you didn't read the whole thread, I've lost a large amount of friends and close family to the wrath of drugs.

 

no, actually I didn't read the whole thread. I replied to your posts from page 4 or so.