Abortion

try holding it for a f€w minut€s long€r. you will s€€ what i m€an.
i hav€ support€d my girlfri€nd having abortion, so i don't think a baby will chang€ my mind and if it do€s it is for th€ wors€.
also do not think that i f€€l it is an €asy d€sision or an €njoyabl€ on€. i just said it should b€ l€ft to th€ moth€r in r€gard to r€ligious, moral or l€gal point of vi€w.
what th€ f is happ€ning with my €

 

lol wtf is up with your E's lol Strange.

If I held my breathe, my heart would eventually stop. But, the breathing stops before the heart. The heart is the last thin to stop (triggered by the lack of brain function).

 

Abortion is a question of timing. When do you kill a baby by abortion? When the foetus is 3 months old? 3 weeks? 3 days? Or when it's "alive"?
If an ejaculat is 600 millions alive spermatozoids, when I make a baby, did I kill 599,999,999 others potential babies?
What if there is an abortion on a foetus that is half inch long and looks like a unskinned gecko? Is that a murder?

 

if you do not br€ath€ th€n you ar€ not an aliv€ human b€ing. so f€tus is not an aliv€ human b€ing. h€nc€ it has no moral r€ligious or l€gal right. i hav€ no id€a what th€ fuk is up with my €

 

aliv€? so is your hand or your €ar or a tumor in your liv€r. th€ point is to b€ an aliv€ individual human b€ing. this happ€nds at birth. wh€n f€tus tak€s his first br€ath of air. humans ar€ air br€athing mamals. f€tus is not air br€athing untill birth. so it is not human. it is a body part.r€sponsibl€ for r€production.

 

So your views come from a law that other humans created? You should think for yourself and not just say abortion is wrong because you can be charged for a double murder if you kill a pregnant woman.

 

pizzaman, the discussion we are having abotu when life starts is one of the most controversial issues in the US simply because there is no set standard about when the life starts really. You believe it is when a breathe is taken, I believe it is when a heart beat happens.

 

Alive? Yes
Alive! No.
Get the half inch unskinned gecko out and see if (s)he can live. My answer is no. Therefore there is nothing more or less than cutting an hand, an ear or a tumor in the liver...

 

No, my views do not only come from laws established by man. My views mainly come from where I view life starts. If a fetus does not have a heartbeat, I think an abortion is ok legally. I think a woman should be able to have one until then. However, I don't think it is right personally and I don't condone it for many reasons. One is, I have a son and daughter and couldn't imagine my wife aborting a kid. There are many many other reasons why I am against it, but, these are just a few, as I don't have the time to post all of them.

I was using the laws mainly as a referance for Americans that are for it, about the double standards that are in place.

 

"If you use a Doppler ultrasound fetal heartbeat detector, you can, with effort, usually hear the heartbeat by 12-14 weeks gestation"

You can make an abortion within the next 11 week or 77 days without to break the law if we follow hostlonestar...Fair enough...and using a Doppler ultrasound detector...

 

th€ qu€stion is not about wh€n lif€ starts. it is about th€ abortion. i pr€s€nt€d a sci€ntific r€ason why th€ f€tus is not a liv€ human b€ing and why th€ d€sision should b€ l€ft to th€ moth€r. this is bas€d on sci€nc€.
i am pr€par€d to argu€ for th€ womans right bas€d on r€ligion also. but i will tak€ a diff€r€nt approach. i am not going to argu€ r€ligion bas€d on sci€nc€. i will argu€ it bas€d on faith. that should cl€ar th€ mind of th€ r€ligious p€opl€ also. th€ probl€m is that p€opl€ want to answ€r th€ r€ligion with sci€nc€ and that is a futil€ task.

 

Interesting thread this one.
For what it's worth I believe that the final decision has to rest with the mother. The baby is wholly dependent on her until it is born. It relies on her for nourishment and protection. It is not a viable being in its own right until it is plucked from the mother's womb.
I do not believe in abortion as an alternative to contraception or common sense.

 

i n€€d a r€ligious anti abortion christian to argu€ th€ r€ligious point with to put this qu€stion to r€st. mayb€ w€ won't n€€d th€ r€publicans anymor€ aft€r this.

 

i am not arguing only about living but b€ing a liv€ human b€ing. for that you n€€d th€ h€art and you n€€d th€ br€athing and oth€r thing. som€ €xist in f€tus but not all so it is not liv€ human b€ing. it is aliv€ y€s a human b€ing nt y€t

 

Not sure what difference you see between a heart and lung machine and a mothers body. The fetus uses the placenta and the mothers body to sustain oxygen levels in the blood. The mother is breathing real air. No different from a heart and lung machine which does the same thing, so therefore, not human. Personally, I think all sick people and old people should not be considered human in terms of abortion. They produce nothing and are nothing but a drain on our society, sucking up resources better used by me and my family. Next of kin should be able to have them aborted at will.

 

if it do€s not br€ath€ air it is not human.or it is not aliv€. if it br€ath€s air with th€ h€lp of th€ machin€ it still br€aths air. this is th€ d€f€nition of human you must br€ath€ air. mayb€ f€tus is a fish.

 

Fetus breathes air. The machine is the mother.

 

fetus consumes oxygen. it does not breathe air.there is a difference. fish also uses oxygen it breathes in the water but it is not human. lizard breathes air and is alive but it is not human. to be human you must have some specific biological features, one of them is to breathe air. fetus does not. this is pure science. if you want to purusue your ilogical defense of the fetus base on some other criteria bring it on. i will give you a run for your money. but science is pretty specific.

 

Q: How does the oxygen get to the fetus? A: From the Mother.
Q: How does the mother get Oxygen? A:From air
Do I have it wrong? The fetus's oxygen comes from air. Period.

 

definition of human is breathing air not consuming oxygen. air must enter the lungs. no air in lungs no breathing not a live human. either dead or not human. green is not blue just because there is some blue in it.