Abortion

Also - spiders have hair.

 

And the winner is...

 

the problem is we have teenage girls these days having sex before they are mature enough to deal with the consequences of pregnancy and then feel they can just abort the baby like they are throwing away the daily trash. Like I have said many times, the family unit has broken down these days and this is only one of the consequences of it that we have to deal with.

 

I am not against abortion. However, I am against warping what is true, and what is not true. Abortion is killing a living organism.

My issue is when people don't have the balls to accept that (not the abortion part, the living organism part). It goes against the basic education of biology, and therefore is intellectually absurd to say its not living, or human. By golly, it sure isn't an elephant.

In an ideal world, there would be no need for abortions, however teenage males and females are both too retarded to use protection. I could give a damn what any church says, it will happen regardless. Tell the idiots to use a condom. At least we could cut down on the additional numbers of retarded teens. I also do not buy into that argument that without an abortion a baby would grow up in a bad environment.

I only accept one valid argument for it. They would rather not have the kid. No excuses, no goddamn bullshit about it not being a human, no stupid 'but it was not my choice to get preggers' regardless of idiot teens or rape. Its the simple greedy reason I accept.

Do Not Want.

Some people can call me deplorable, evil, whatever, I care not. I only want there to be the honesty this needs. The mother doesn't want it, therefore, that is justification enough for me. At least we're not mice, and don't eat our young when stressed.

However, if some bizzitch who couldn't get her hubby to wear a condom says its because of "fiscal reasons" or anything other than "I do not want it" they should be denied.

 

i hate it when people are just such dopes that can not read.
i never said fetus is not a living organism . i said it is not human. big difference. if you can not differenciate it is your lack of understanding

 

no air . that is the point

so does any human body part. hand nose.and so on. all can be surgically removed at will

lol just because of your emotional mumbo jumbo. science clearly regards fetus as tissue. part of mother's body

read above

not always

ya ok. as i said it is commonly understood that fetus is just tissur or organisim or something in that line. that is why abortion is performed. unless you think doctors are all murdereds

your belief is just as ridicules. to call fetus baby while overwhelming science agrees that it is not. there are abortion procedures perform all over the world and no doctor thinks they are killing a baby. but of course you know more

ask the person that wrote it

another mistake. name one that is not air breading.
while i can name dolphin as one that does not have hair.

 

Let's throw all opinions and human made definitions away and look at ourselves and what makes us what we are. Our senses, our bodies, and our brains that make us individuals.

-Babies in the womb do not function under their mother's brain signals, they function under their own. Any movement was sparked by their own individual brain activity. It's been proven they can and do dream.

-Babies in the womb have their own bodies, just like every person does, their own beating heart, and working brain as said above, and their own organs.

-Babies have their own senses. Their own set of nerves to feel with, they don't use their mother's.

So, with that said, I'm unable to understand the significance of the baby needing to breathe air to qualify as no longer killable in people's eyes while it's ok while in the womb because it's merely tissue. What happens when the baby is born and breathes air? It still has it's own body, mind and senses which it uses and understands more and more each day just as it did in the womb.

What is different? The food and oxygen delivery process? That is what makes us worthy of being on earth and have rights?

 

then just tell the fucking fetus to get the hell out of there.
please lets not threw away science. ofcourse you can try to argue abortion based on religion but if you want to argue based on science we have to use science.

 

Just ask yourself "Did you really want to be born into this horrible world to fight against all odds to buy a car, a home, and to regenerate?"

Not being born would have been better! The only think that gets me through it is when the clock strikes 4:20 Oh why wait that long I think i will get lit right now, lol.

Plus with less people in the world, they might not get my last bag of Cheetos down at the grocer.

 

So true. Applicable to a large percentage of Palestine, Syria, and Iran, as well as the leadership in N. Korea.

 

I don't believe in god, I'm AM talking about science and the studies done on individual brain activity, senses and bodies of babies in the womb.

One of the more basic and interesting specials on Discovery even addresses it:
http://www.nationalgeographic.ca/explore/inthewomb/

You should watch it, there's nothing about god in it.

 

then science is that fetus is not a human being. overwelming number of scientists agree on that. that is why abortion is still performed. now if you want to talk science why discard it as the basis of discussion.
you keep on saying fetus looks like human. ofcourse it does. one day it will be human. after it is born. that is what reproduction is. it can't look like a donkey can it?

 

Looks, acts, and functions like a human with its own individual character, activity, and thoughts you mean?

My 7 year old son beat the hell out of my wife in the womb constantly kicking her very hard and seemed to never chill out. The boy can't sleep over 8 hours (usually 7) or sit still long enough to watch a 30 minute cartoon.

My 6 year old daughter made my wife worry she wasn't even alive she was so chill in the womb... the the point she went and had an extra ultrasound to see if she was ok and they had a heck of a time getting her to move during the ultrasound. The girl loves to sleep 10 hours straight to this day and just sit and talk.

I'm not stretching it or adding this for my convenience in an argument... my point is these babies are who they are as an individual person even in the womb. It's not like a blank sheet of paper, or empty hard drive waiting to be programmed, they already have their thoughts, feelings, and character while in the womb. They are living individuals already.

I understand your thoughts on it being just tissue, but I just don't agree from my experiences and limited knowledge of science. Maybe there's a definition somewhere that backs you up, and that's fine, but I just can't agree with the HUMAN that made that definition up if there is one.

I don't subscribe to the religious side talking about a soul existing from the point of conception, but I do feel there's a point it becomes a human in it's early development stages while in the womb.

I still don't feel I'm the one who can say women can't have abortions, therefor I'm pro choice considering many are going to do it anyways. I am concerned of the regrets down the road people have, and the carefree unprotected sex that may happen do to the ability to just have an abortion.

As far as the overpopulation thing I thought that too for a bit, however logic would also tell you with the abortion option, many more couples are carefree and get pregnant, but then decide to NOT abort. So, abortion being legal may actually increase population growth, you never know.

 

yeh it does and it will be one when it is born. it is how humans reproduce. it should eventually be just like the parents. it sometimes carry their sicknesses just as their nose and their ears. it is just not human until it is born. the process of reproduction is not completed until that point. you can also love it. that is human nature. i don't even recommend abortion, but i give mother 100% right to chose. because it is not a baby. it is just a fetus. i do not give the mother the right to kill it after the birth. but before the birth is another story. as far as kicking and things like that you can look it up. everyone knows about this. i think what makes the difference is breathing air. fetus does not.until it is born. this is the biggest difference i see from one day before birth to one day after birth. to me that is very important. that is also the difference from before death to after death

 

No, a nose does not function as per the list of natural processes I listed. It may move, at the will of our brain and CNS, but it does not reproduce, excrete or respire. It's incredibly childish for you to compare organisms with something which is part of an organism.

Where? Where? Where?

Only in your head, not where it matters. I think those who terminate foetuses are murderers. It's a choice of semantics.

Where the hell did I claim a foetus is a baby? You're so desperate to dig yourself out of this enormous hole you've put yourself in, you're making things up.

You're embarrassing yourself here. A foetus breathes by-proxy via the umbilical chord and placenta. While it has lungs, although may not use them, it still respires which I pointed out to you is one of the 'proper' criteria for life. You're arguing using infant knowledge and lexis.

At the end of the day Pizzaman, you spew out a load of incoherent, illiterate garbage such as "there is overwhelming evidence for this and that" WHERE are your sources? You're backed into a corner and have absolutely no credibility. You say a lot of things but there's no weight behind them whatsoever.

It's beyond a joke that you're still clinging on to this peculiar "air" theory. Our atmosphere is the last part of our ecosystem that could ever determine what friggin' SPECIES something is.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/respire
i really do not have to say anything. you have said enough

 

2. To undergo the metabolic process of respiration.

Meaning supply from an umbilical cord or a lung machine.
You just blew your arguement to hell.

 

Here's a fetus at 9 weeks old:


Here's a fetus at 11 weeks old:


Here's a fetus at 13 weeks old:


Here's a fetus at 21 weeks old:


Source: About Abortions

They look human to me.

 

then it is just like any other tissue that is supplied from veins going into it. nothing special. a tissue from mother's body. nose and nose job
@rebecca
already covered that. it looks like human because it is going to be one once it is born.once the process of reproduction is finished and a human is produced.

 

Look at the pictures, Pizzaman, they're humans.