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Adsense - you're killing me!

Discussion in 'Placement / Reviews / Examples' started by derekfranklin, Dec 15, 2005.

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    Hey gang,

    I put up a site recently, and I can't seem to get Adsense to play nice, and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions.

    My site, www.whonu.com, takes a keyword (london, sleep disorder, happiness), and offers links to relevent content related to that keyword.

    Here's a movie search for 'King Kong' (great movie, BTW):

    http://www.whonu.com/movie_results.php?q=king%20kong

    Notice the adsense ads. Most of the time:

    • They're not relevent to King Kong
    • They don't even show up
    I know Adsense tries to do some wizzbang magic with the contents of the page to determine what ads to show, but on my site, it's not working too well. I'd even go as far to say that it's just plain awful!

    Are there any things I can do to get ads to appear that are more closely related to the keyword entered?

    Thanks for any help.

    Best,

    Derek Franklin
    www.whonu.com
    www.searchautomator.com
     
    derekfranklin, Dec 15, 2005 IP
  2. techlh

    techlh Peon

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    If you just recently put the site up, G may have not fully indexed it yet, therefore the ads are not relevant. Then again, how can G index a site that only works with an input?
     
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  3. ahearn

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    Maybe I'm missing something here, but you are dynamically generating pages based on search phrases. Google doesn't crawl your page in real time and can't possibly know what that page is about -- and therefore cannot serve relevant ads. Furthermore, this is a directory page containing mostly links -- no content. Adsense really doesn't fit for your kind of web site.
     
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  4. derekfranklin

    derekfranklin Guest

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    Google is supposed to be able to provide targeted ads on dynamically generated pages (pages who's content change, depending on user input).

    There are number of search engines that utilize Adsense in this manner, it's just that they've figured out how to do it - I haven't.

    In addition, the Googlebot has been to the site several dozen times this month, so it shouldn't be an indexing issue.

    Thanks for any help.

    Derek
     
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    site:www.whonu.com only shows one indexed html page for me. There does appear to be an indexing issue to me.
     
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  6. ahearn

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    Actually, I am wrong about Google not spidering the page in real time. See this on Google's site: https://www.google.com/support/adsense/bin/answer.py?answer=20763&topic=157

    And it appears that your search terms show up in your URL, which means that Google is seeing the same page as your visitors see.

    However, the page doesn't have much content for Google to use to determine the context of the page.

    See this page for other possible problems:
    http://www.google.com/support/adsense/bin/answer.py?answer=10035
     
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  7. derekfranklin

    derekfranklin Guest

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    Hey tflight,

    Yeah, indexing may not be complete, but it seems that Adsense's ability to display targeted ads on a dynamic page would not be affected by indexing.

    In my tests, and based on my learning, I can create a page in the middle of nowhere (it's not been indexed), create a dynamic page about noodle recipes, slap some Adsense code on it, and when displayed, it'll show noodle recipe ads.

    In other words, I can get targeted ads on a non-idexed page.

    There's something on my *completed* dynamic pages that seems to be throwing off ad targeting.

    :(

    Derek
     
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  8. ahearn

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    Looks like it may be working now. On the King Kong results page, the most common terms are "movies" and "film", about which the Adsense ads are being displayed. "King Kong" is not as common on the page.

    It may be possible, since you don't really have a home page or other pages with general content, that Google doesn't have a general notion of the subject of your site on which to draw when a new page (unique URL) appears the first time. In my own experience, when a new page is put up, the ads are more generally related to my overall site, rather than to that specific page. Then, as time goes on, and the page is accessed more, the ads become more related to the page.
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    Update: Now, when I use "King Kong" after doing another unrelated search, I get a totally different page (not about movies at all), with totally unrelated ads. Very strange behavior.
     
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  9. Evoleto

    Evoleto Well-Known Member

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    IMO you should get more content on the result pages for better targeting. The shown ads are quite unpredictable for less content, been there. You may also want to try the adsense targeting tags.

    Good luck!
     
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  10. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    I have noticed that adsense shows ads on some sites to me that are relavent to my previous google searches despite those searches had nothing to do with the content of the site I was visiting.

    I pegged it recently when my wife used my workstation for some off the wall something or another search.
     
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  11. derekfranklin

    derekfranklin Guest

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    Hey gang,

    I take it that everyone is experiencing the same frustrating behavior I have been. :(

    It is unpredictable, because some queries result in gobs of ads that are right-on-the money (so it does work), but other ads aren't even close.

    The fact that it works sometimes leads me to believe that there is potential for success, and I shouldn't need to do much else, but I'd like some consistency.

    25% relevent ads vs. 75% non-relevent are not good numbers.

    I've asked Google for help on this. I'll share what I find out.

    Derek
     
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    It appears that Google is paying more attention to your keywords and description than you dynamic content. The best way to test this is with Section Targeting I have found that this can greatly increase the quality of ads on dynamic pages.

    I do not have access to Live Links yet, so here is the text of the link to explain.

    https://www.google.com/support/adsense/bin/answer.py?answer=23168&topic=371
     
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