anyone rearly surprised

No, Gtech, I'm not worried and I agree with you (Eeeek!)

Open debate is much more fun. Thank you for your kind words. I'm sure you have had a lot of reds because you are outspoken and say what you think. More power to you for that.

 

DA,

The Iraqi people vote who their government will be. I don't think terrorists are killing people because they don't like the government. They want to take over the country.

Regarding management. A website is far more manageable than a war. Some may choose to blame the President for the actions of the terrorists, but I prefer to put blame where blame belongs.

Huh? You completely lost me on that.

So giving into terrorists is the solution? Isn't this speculation? We stay the course (and reduction in troop levels are planned for 2006) and get Iraqi soldiers trained to take care of their own, or we pull out and suddenly terrorists will be nice? I don't get the rationale.

 

Quick OT question.

Is "fart humper" some new level? I've seen a number of air biscuit mounties today.

 

It didn't work in

Cuba
Vietnam
Nicaragua
El Salvador

What makes you think that it is going to work now?

 

Gtech, when you try and slant comments it makes then worth less, stay sharp.

The 'terrorists or insurgents' are trying to destabilize Iraq NOT run it. They do NOT want the US to have a strong influence in Iraq. Would you want North Korea to have a strong influence in say... mexico ? How would you stop it if your governments and police couldnt ? Would you help by providing your freedom fighters shelter, resources and food ? - People dont blow things up for fun. In their eyes it is their cause.

Once again I dont condone ANY killing.

I *will* pay dues for some of the current palestine & Israel situation (some credit does go to blair and bush for that one) - Lets see how it evolves before judging fully though.

 

Jealous?

You'll be one when you hit 2,000 posts too. Some evil robot actually coined the term.

"air buscuit mounties" -HA HA HA!


Hey, did you know that Dan has never seen anyone hump fart before?

Da, what do you mean by this?

 

Can't speak for the others, but in Vietnam it would have worked. In his book, How We Won the War, in 1975, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S.

What makes me think it will work now? The fact that Iraqis are sick of these people ruining their lives:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/07/iraqis_march_ag.html

That given the training, they can stand up and fend for themselves. Pulling out would be a win for terrorists. Who would want that?

 

Israeli withdrawls from the occupied territories/ forced evictions have been going on all week. I think Sharon listened to his people and Bush did Blair a favour by talking to him, would be my guess.

Although they are still building in other areas give with 1 hand take with other.. still better than it was

 

Lost me again, sorry.

Destabilize it and take over. Surely you don't suggest they would just stop what they are doing, turn the keys over to the government and say "have fun?" Freedom fighters? What freedom are they fighting for, that they infiltrate from other countries and kill Iraqis? The freedom to have you head chopped off, or you kids blown up? What freedom?

A whole other topic. Of which I don't mind going into.

 

Oh, you mean the diversion that is allowing Israel to build 'The Wall" and errect MORE SETTLEMENTS in East Jerusalem?

 

Its all about perception, if the world sees it happening that way it will start to. They were building anyway.

 

Gtech

since you don't have time, I am quoting some my old posts, can you explain how you get your conclusions from my postings:

Now can you please show a posting that supports what you say?

 

So the facts that they have been fighting many years before American and already defeated the French in Battle of Dienbienphu had nothing to do with it. The facts that militarily were already defeating the Americans on the ground had nothing to do with it. The war was lost just because Kerry and couple of other protested against it.

Why can't you speak about others, the history of failed US policy in south America is even more fresh and closer to our time than Vietnam?

This is from another post of mine in another thread:

A modern army is not built to fight a Guerrilla warfare, look at the whole history of the world in this century, Brittan understood this and that was the reason they left their colonies after WWII. French learned their lesson in Vietnam and Algeria. Russians learned it in Afghanistan. American should have learned it in Vietnam and many proxy wars such as Cuba, Nicaragua and El Salvador but they didn't.

The math is very simple:

A) on one side you have soldiers in a foreign country that have no real knowledge of their environment and on other hand you have Guerrilla fighters that know every inch of their area.

B) On one side, you have soldiers that do not want to die and it is hard to replace and on the other side you have people that living or death doesn't make that much of a difference to them because of their situation and new fighter join in to replace the dead because of the occupation.

C) On one side you an army with huge cost that is a burden to economy and the other side you have a force that depends on local economy and is not suffering from any financial loss. This was the cause the Soviet lost in Afghanistan, not because of the number of their dead.

If you don't believe me and if you are in USA then ask any West Point officer about this.

The alternatives are simple,

1- either cut and run now and take the international blame for what ever happens after that.

2- Try to establish a real democracy and win the heart and mind of local population with true changes such as free democratic elections, free media (even for opposition), rules of law for prisoners,.... Stop all the American companies interest in Iraq to prove that the army is not there to benefit American financially. Establish a true international force that supports the true democracy. The outcome is not sure, it can be a pro-American or Anti-American government but in either case it stops the bloodshed in Iraq and let American force leave that country with moral superiority and leadership and friendship of local population.

 

Is that not what he said?

I thought I'd leave the "others" for you. That is what you do, right? Attack the US, Israel, Christians and Jews.

Carry on.

 

READ THE 2 POST ABOVE YOUR POST. NOW CAN YOU TELL US IN WHAT WAY YOUR POST IS RELATED TO ANYTHING THAT I SAID?

Did you find ANY POST from me that supports what you say?

Does any one else here knows?

 

I typically get lost after about three Gtech posts. I often wonder how you manage to last so long.

 

i no yeh, how can you chat so much single minded bollox, seems to me the only thing some of these guys care about are themselves.

I just hate the way the world works, its gone on for as long as humans have been around and its never gonna change. were gonna end up wipin ourselves out.

 

For those that are interested in serious discussions about war and different alternatives, here is a good list of books to read. These are books that are recommended by US Marines corps about Small Wars related topics. While the point of views are open to discussions, they provide the reader with a lot of facts regarding the history and this subject in general.

US Marines Corps.

 

Another interesting article that describes the difference between Insurgency and terrorism.

CIA insider says U.S. fighting wrong war