Bush verses Kerry DP poll

Well Compar, just put up another thread, because some folks really think that it is alright in America to steal, to lie, to go to war for profit and a lot of other things that have ruined the economy and the security of the country.

I say it is time for a change, as far as all the evil I would say a lot of folks all over the world agree with you, we have lost a lot of support from other nations. Now we want NATO to bail us out in Iraq, same as they did in the AFGAN war.

Europe is going to be the power to be worried about down the road.

As far as changing the poll, I asked Shawn to do it, to include Compar, OJ and AL Sharpten, but I think he wants to keep it real to get a indication of the true nature of the election (DP Poll).

If we were to include you, you would win in a landslide here at DP.

 

Personally, I'm with Compar.

I think that the reasons behing going to Iraq were somewhat sceptical. I dont think that the reasons were justified (9/11 was terrible, but was it down to Saddam?).

I am in the UK, and as a result have'nt seen all of the TV advertising that goes on over there. I have got some divX files that have some "pro Bush" ads on.

It's all a big popularity contest (same as it is over here - just accentuated IMHO). Whoever has the best marketing guy behind them will win.

My two cents.

 

Yes that would be an interesting poll. I would vote to get rid of Bush - I'd hand out panphlets for whoever ran against him.

Everyone I know living here in Australia that has US citizenship (only 5 people), hasn't voted in US elections since they have been living in Australia. But they all say they will vote this time to get rid of Jr. Bush.

 

I too must report that I have heard many self professed Republicans state that they will be voting to REMOVE Bush from office.

I am no youngster, believe me. I have NEVER heard these types of comments before.

As US Presidents come and go, some are good and some are "so-so" but seldom is there one who is BAD. One who has actually managed to do more harm than good.

If members of his own party will be voting to get him out, GW Bush Jr. has made it on that short list indeed.

 

Anyone happen to look at the ads this thread is generating, I have seen Kerry/Bush ads, Bin ladin/Aquida ads and that sort of thing, unbelieveable.

 

Other than being factually wrong, that's fine.

As I wrote, the real issue was not the "hanging chads" that all the focus was on--though, even in that silly distraction, the studies you mention concluded that a sound, statewide recount would almost certainly have given the state to Gore (not to mention the notorious "butterfly ballot" issue, itself enough to have made the swing).

What I was emphasizing--and you'd think anyone who reads the papers now would know what I'm speaking of, since they tried it yet again--is the entirely false and unfounded removal of tens of thousands of perfectly qualified voters, almost all black, from the voting rolls on the spurious and invented ground that they are "former felons", when in fact of the 90,000 they summarily disqualified in 2000,some 87,000 were properly qualified voters, all restored to the rolls shortly after the election. That's a whacking great hit in an election "settled" by a few hundred votes. And I won't even go into the goon squads the GOoPs flew into Florida en masse to harrass and occasionally terrify local recount boards.

Wake up and smell the coffee, or, in this case, the pigsty sludge.

And, as to Berger, the only "crime" anyone has yet even suggested he committeed was having a pretty sloppy desk, on which papers got lost till carefully searched for. Wow. Send him up for 20 at the Big House. He could, were there any real justice, visit there with every member of the current administration (and a trio of Supreme Court Injustices), excepting those sent to a looney bin instead of jail.

 

What Owlcroft is saying is true, this has been on the news lately in FLA, I know I watch it.

Not only in the last election did it happen (blacks, convicted felons statement) it is still happening right now in Florida, you must remember that Jeb Bush is Governor then and now, all high officials in Florida Government are Republicans.

Florida has a lot of "backwoods" type towns, the Good old boy's are the law men. They were blocking off roads from certain "hoods" to keep folk from voting in the last election.

Just ask the NAACP, they will tell you all about it. How about the missing bags of votes, this will happen AGAIN.

It takes a few phone calls to even get your voter reg. card sent out in some places that are Republican contoled counties, unless you are a Reg. Republican, then your card is sent right away, no questions asked.

Oh, we did not have your first name on the form, just your last name, so we held up sending you your card.

America, love it or leave it.

 

Yeee- Haw!!!! You da man!!!!

I love it

 

I agree with ousting Saddam Hussein simply because he killed hundreds of thousands of people for no reason. It was basically the US's fault that he got the kind of power to be able to do that in the first place.

Now it's time to leave Iraq and shed this stigma that is attached with doing it in the first place. Can we do that with Bush?

This is comparable to the hiring of a corporate axe-man when times are tough. He does what needs to be done, and then he is let go because large entities' reputations are very important.

btw, it would be nice if McCain would run again in 4 years.

 

I like your point of view - ThinkBling - I feel that is true. For the most part I even agree with you, except I will keep Bush anyday over someone like Kerry. He really makes me want to make sure everyone gets out and votes.

I am also very, very, very glad that Gore has not been in power the last 4 years. (Did he invent the terrorist bomb too? LOL) Gore would have just bombed a couple of orphanages or something in Afganistan and called it good (Clinton advisor style)

Anthonycea, you should go work for Kerry, I think they could use your help.

 

I honestly think that both of them (Bush and Kerry) are not good for the Nation.

Bush isn't simply because so many people hate him, and you can't have leadership where many people dispise the leader.

Kerry on the other hand is a complete wuss. He doesn't have any solid opinions and seems to sway with the group he is speaking to. Perhaps it is just me, but a country that is suppose to be a dominate power shouldn't have such a sissy in office.

I honestly think going into Iraq wasn't a bad idea. If Bush hadn't gone in and weapons did exist, he'd be f***ed and we might be too. Hindsight is 20/20, I'd rather swing at a bully than let him hit me first.

 

But there weren't any WMD and Bush knew it and he lied to the American people. Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. That didn't kill anybody. Bush lied about WMD and it has killed at least 1,000 Americans, to say nothing of the countless Iraqs. And it has cost the country billion and billions of dollars.

And the real problem is that Bush thinks he is doing God's will. How can anybody support an immoral, unethical, ignorant, arrogant asshole like this?

Schlottke I'm really disappointed in you for not being able to see though this evil, evil charade. Bush is the most dangerous president in the history of the USA. Save yourself. He has to go.

 

Debunked, I would take that job, since my regular business since the recession of 2000 has forced me to look at getting a job and I have been self employed since 1980.

Things have not been this bad (low wages, high energy costs, no good jobs, corporate cutbacks, sending jobs to China and India) in a long damm time.

Do you want another 4 years of the "Haliburton Administration", maybe if I worked for Houston oilmen I would not have the economic problems like most Americans do!

 

I'm hoping it will pop up when you click on it here, but I've just had the following sent to me as an e-mail attachment: http://www.jibjab.com/
If not, just punch the URL into your browser Address bar.
It's certainly good for a laugh.

Duncan

 

Duncan, that is interesting, did these guys start Atom films?

Compar, getting back to the voting outside of the country, Digital Point voting is open to anyone anywhere, so the Digital Point Nation is worldwide.

DP voting has more integrity than the US vote, RIGHT, at least your vote was counted fairly! Maybe Shawn has a new business (polling) here.

So you are now in a greater country, the worldwide Digital Point Nation.

Never say you can not vote again.

 

I fell it is unamerican to not support our president, just my opinion. I don't particularly find Bush to be the best bet for president. If he really lied and knew there were no WMDs, then I totally agree with you.

"Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life."

He should have done jail time, just like Martha Stewert, thats perjury.

"Bush knew it and he lied to the American people."

If he did lie, he shouldn't be in office, yet I've not seen any proof *he* lied, someone did though.

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out. I just wish that it wasnt Bush or Kerry.

 

Yes SB, but is is also unAmerican if we take away a citizens right not to support him.

It is also the right of Americans to express their opinions on a forum like this without Shawn or the members being subject to arrest or being jailed if we choose to express ourselves.

In times past in this country (WW2 when certain groups were rounded up because they were from some other land) we were not always given rights.

But if folks quit expressing themselves freely, then we will lose these rights, so keep your opinions coming, but allow others to have theirs also. That is what free speech and this forum should be about.

 

The thing about Presidents lying is interesting, but can we talk about lying in general and how it affects our daily lives.

It is common for lies to be told to people, the cigarette industry lied to folks for years before they admitted that the product hurt its users.

Your doctor lies to you everyday and gives you drugs that he says will heal your problem, but in fact those same drugs cause many other problems that they call "side effects"

The news media lies to all of us everyday by holding back the truth about the cause of problems in the world, you have to read between the lines to understand the truth and do your own research to understand the true issues or the big picture.

In many cases the President "must lie" to protect what we call "national security" and keep the machine rolling. It is called the "industrial and military complex".

The entire Enron scandel was based on a lie, Enron energy traders artificially minipulated the marketplace so that natural gas and electric rates went up so high that the California economy was ruined. Many factories just closed down since they could not keep factories running when prices doubled and tripled. They just put their executives in jail in the last couple months and this happened 3 years ago.

So telling the truth just is not the way of man, most public relations in business and politics is based on half truths, it is just a matter of getting folks to believe the version that you push, if you can get 60% of folks to believe a lie you win in this world.

In US politics, if you get 30% of folks to believe your spin you win, since there are only a small percentage of folks that even vote.

So lying is a part of our daily lives, everybody wants some, I want some too, I know, that is an old Van Halen song.

Bottom line is truth is with God, not man, but lets not start that thread, religion would ruin the forum here.