Bush verses Kerry DP poll

And you really think Kerry in office will make any damn difference? Then you are living in a dream world. The US is imploding and unless there is some sort of major event, person, etc. that gets us to work together instead of the complete divisiveness that exists, we're on the road to ruin.

"United we stand, Divided we fall" It's that simple.

 

Then use your vote for someone worthwhile, take a look at the Libertarians. They're not a bunch of nut jobs the republicrats make them out to be.

 

Well at least John Kerry wants to work with Europe and not against them, now you must know that the European Union is a greater economic power than the US when combining those nations, soon to be a greater military power also.

So unless we find a way to get along in the world community we will continue to have problems.

John Kerry is our best shot at "getting along" with other nations at this point in time.

 

As an outside observer, I would have to agree. The impression that I am given when talking to some of my French relatives, is that of somewhat distaste for Bush.

I understand that the French themselves are not exactly *popular*. I do however believe, that there is a much higher chance for a repeat of the 9/11 disasters in the UK and US (And spain) than in the rest of the EU.

Bush (and also Blair) have upset so many people with their actions, that there is bound to be some kind of revenge attack at some point in the near future.

Personally, (I would like to think that) If Kerry were to gian power, that at least there wouldn't be the *pride* issue in the way.

It is too late for Bush or Blair to go back on what they have done over the last couple of years. #1 because in doing so, they would lose all credibility with the party (It's pretty much already happening to Blair). #2 because they are just too far down the line. It's too late for them to turn back on themselves now.

At least if Kerry came in to power, there would be the opportunity for him to say "OK, that was a mistake - lets move on".

My Two Cents...

SE

 

if only the popular media outlets would tell the truth - something like REPORT the news not make it! Then people would be less against each other and we wouldn't be on opposite sides of the fence. Every once in a while I will look up CNN but usually just get ticked reading the very slanted news! It makes me sick that so many people believe the garbage without getting facts or at very least getting the other side of a story first.

Kind of like watching Mr. Moores film and taking it as fact. So much as been refuted but most people don't even care ...

I think this will be my last post here in the political thread. I am sure some body who is completely ignorant will start getting really mad at me for pointing (even generally) out things.

 

Do you not think that "The US is imploding" is not, in and of itself, reason enough to "get us to work together instead of the complete divisiveness"?

Do you think that the one who lead us to this state, is the one who could lead us out?

In many elections, people have the "so called luxury" of voting for some third party or Independent candidate just to make their displeasure of the two major candidates known.

However, seldom has this country been in a situation where immediate change is so vital that we can i'll afford to cast a vote in a direction that would not help secure the change neccessary.

If you do not think this country is in trouble, you have a little reading to catch up on.

 

I understand that Michael Moore has offered a $10,000 reward for anyone who can find any factual error in his reporting in the film. Aren't you doing exactly what you accuse the media of, in making a bald face assertion like this without bothering to prove, or illustrate, any of your points.

Now I'm not saying the opinions that Moore expressed where always right -- although I certainly agreed with most of them -- but I am saying every reported historical fact was checked and double checked. He hired experts to do nothing else. And nobody has been able to refute one factual point as being inaccurate or fabricated.

Somewhat unlike Bush's claim about WMD.

 

I'd say that Moore's film stands somewhere inbetween "Supersize me" and "Blair Witch Project"..

Filled with some fact, but dozen's of unfounded accusations.

 

I definitely agree that in this year's election, a vote for a candidate like Nader will pretty much be a "wasted" vote. It'll be interesting to see what kind of effect he'll have on the election this year.

 

I agree VPFP, Nader would be a wasted vote.

 

Then I reckon you're in for a windfall: just demonstrate any one of the many factual errors you impute to him and walk away with ten grand. Of course, if, like most or all of the critics, you're just passing gas instead of offering reasonably informed commentary, it might be a little harder to get those bucks.

Just like most guys who win medals for valor in combat.

I don't reckon that 1% of the population knows anything more about John Kerry than what the Republican party doles out to Fox Nonnews for its daily ration of sound bytes. (Fox, whose slogan is "All the news that illiterates can manage in 12-second bites.")

Kerry suffers a bit from "Al Gore Syndrome": like many intelligent and thoughtful adults, he finds it hard to play Bozo The Clown for the benefit of the cerebrally challenged who cannot understand sentences over 20 words long or individual words of over two syllables, or grasp an idea that isn't pure black or pure white and phrased in a manner best suited for shouting. Apparently, we have now sunk to the level that many Americans find something vaguely disturbing about the idea of an intelligent person being President--our President should, it seems, ideally be indistinguishable from all the good ol' boys hoisting a few down at The Dew Drop Inn. Some can enact the farce more easily than others, especially when they really are Bozo the Clown types. (Not to mention George Bush by name--well, OK, to mention George Bush by name: the guy who can fall off a couch while watching TV, the guy who makes Gerry Ford sound like an intellectual).

Here, found in about 47 seconds of Googling, is an example of the difference between what people who watch Fox think they know and what the factual realities are on at least one major issue. The woods are full of lots more like this.

[Ha! Betcha thought no one could get the words "Fox" and "think" in one sentence!]

 

Many are complaining about the mass media, well here is a link from alternative media on John Kerry.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/19280/

 

" just demonstrate any one of the many factual errors you impute to him and walk away with ten grand. "

You called Fox viewers Illiterate; I didn't say they were factual errors, I said many of them were *UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS*. You, being one of those intellectuals who can understand more than twenty word sentences should know the difference, right?

"Just like most guys who win medals for valor in combat."

No, nothing like them. Those men are solid in their views, and don't waver in the wind when disgression is placed upon them.

"Bozo the Clown types"

What elementary school did you pick that up at Owlcroft? Seem to like that description quite a bit - using it twice in the same post.

"the guy who can fall off a couch while watching TV, the guy who makes Gerry Ford sound like an intellectual"

You've never tripped or fallen on accident? I'm a fairly good athlete (go google me for 47 seconds...) and have found myself falling off things.. I hardly consider someone falling a bad sign of being a President.

To be honest with you, I'm not even political at all, I just find it amusing to argue...

 

Well all you red necked Republicans can vote for Nader. That would be just fine

 

Im writing in myself for president, only logical choice... I suggest you all do the same.

Haha

 

George Bush and the entire present administration is so bad, on some many levels, I just can't believe that anyone would want to continue this tragedy.

So Saddam was a bad guy. But a civilized Nations NEVER starts a war. A civilized nation protects itself. A civilized nation goes to the defense of their allies and friends. But a civilized Nation NEVER starts a war.

Dictators and ego maniacs start wars. History shows that Adoph Hitler started the second world war. Ho Chi Minh started the Vietnam war. Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait and started the first gulf war.

But George Bush started the Iraq war. That ranks him right up there with the other dictators and ego maniacs.

George Bush is undoubtedly the most dangerous man to ever be President of the United States. The Patriot Act virtually suspend your privacy and civil liberties. Put him in power for another four years and you may have no liberties left.

Anthony is on about Google's invasion of our privacy. He has missed the whole point. The patriot act is the real conspiracy. George and his boys want total control. Give them another four years and they may just achieve it. He was put in office the first time by the supreme court rather than the voters. Give him four more years and there may not be any more voting.

He didn't need it the first time. Maybe we should just amend the constitution to elimate Gay Marriage, abortion and the right to vote. And as to separation of church and state -- the very foundation of the US constitution -- who needs that. George is doing God's will. And I'm sure that God will whisper in his ear that there is no need for any constitution so evil and preverted as to separate church and state.

So by all means give him a clear mandate and just watch your what he can do in the next four years.

 

Compar, calm down, John Kerry is winning the DP Election.

I have included the PA in my coverage of privacy and freedom, see the following page and the links within. They have been there for months Bob.

http://www.searchwars.squarespace.com/display/ShowPage?moduleId=27505

 

we all have a right to our opinions and I do not want to lose friends over my point of view, that is what the vote and debate is all about, just a vote and a debate, at the end of the day we should all be friends.

 

But Schlottke, my friend, the question isn't about being friends, the question is about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

George Bush and John Ashcroft would deprive us all of that. If you have a moments doubt about that just read the Patriot II act. If you have a moments doubt about that, explain why the USA has over 2,000,000 of it's citizens incarerated behind bars. That is approximately a five times higher ratio per capita than all the other nations of the world with the exception of Russia, and it is 50% higher than Russia.

And how about "all men are created equal". Do you think that when 25% of the black male population between the age of 25 to 35 are behind bars that "all men are created equal"? Give me a break. Segregation didn't end in the 60s. The blacks were simply moved from the back of the bus to the prisons.

But George Bush wants to deal with that. He wants to sentence them all to the death penalty. As Governor of Texas he signed the death warrants and had 152 American citizens killed. Never once did he even issue a stay, let alone a pardon or exoneration. I saw him on TV gloating about the number he had executed. In my mind that makes him the largest serial killer in the history of the United States.

George Bush and the people surrounding him constitute the biggest threat to the future of the United States and to global peace and prosperity that we have seen in the last 100 years. This election may be the last chance we have to stop this head long rush to tyranny.

 

Right. We intellectuals tend to rely on arcane sources of knowledge, like dictionaries. "Unfounded" means, according to one pretty good one, "not founded on fact or truth"--thus, founded on what is not factual or is not truth. So, just find and prove one of those unfactual or untrue bases for his "unfounded" accusations.

Kerry is "one of those guys who win medals for valor in combat"; so are we saying that Class X is unlike Class X? That a member of Class X is "nothing like" members of Class X? I took a good bit of logic instruction in my day, but not enough to follow that one. (Also: how does one "place digression" on someone or something? Sounds to me like one of those "do not attempt this at home" things.)

Google has over 42,000 hits on "Bozo the Clown", so I don't reckon it's a cryptic reference. "Clown" (and "bozo") have long been classic epithets for dunces. (I still recall an amusing science-fiction novel of the near future, in which "news" was delivered on TV by "newsclowns", who wore a long, stringy, fire-red wig as their "badge of office"--whatcha think, Rupert?)

Off a couch--while watching TV? We're not talking dexterity here; the media were too polite, or chicken, to openly air the thought, but it was widely enough discussed in private--that the man had very likely just flat-out had more than a few too many that afternoon--if it was only that afternoon.

Help youself: do a Google on <Bush drink OR drunk OR alcoholic>. Sure, most are written by people who don't like George Bush. And? Are Bush supporters likely to say Word One on the matter?

I was not previously, and am not now, attempting some definitive analysis examining the disaster that the Cheney administration (who do you think is President?) has been and is; it is the sort of thing that, like a joke, if you need it explained, you won't get it even with the explanation. It is said that not over about 4% of the American public have not yet made up their minds about whom to vote for. I have neither the patience nor the time to work at convincing any of them--horses, water, you know the bit. It's a poll, and I aired my thoughts.

One of Bush's biographers put it this way:

"There is a group of people who feel that '[the President of the United States should] be smarter than I am on just about every issue I can think of.' But there is also a large group of people who don't feel that way. They want the President, in this modern era, to be something they can relate to. Someone who they don't think is intellectually intimidating. Someone who isn't really lost in the big fog of intellectual ideas and the world of words."​

God help us all.