Clemency request of Tookie Williams

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Are you just uneducated or are you heartless? Maybe both

 

Wow. Are people really that callous? I'm not against the death penalty, but in this case I think it's pretty disgusting that we as society would kill this man.

He is responsible for saving the lives of thousands of would be gang members through his series of award-winning books denouncing gangs, has been nominated for the nobel peace prize 6 times, is a recipient of the US Presidential Award for service to the community, etc., etc.

And, there are legitimate questions surrounding his guilt in the muders as well. Clemency decisions are too caught up in politics rather than the merits of each case, esp. in one this high-profile.

 

The dude founded the crips gang. Street gangs have killed about 10,000 people in LA alone since 1980. This guy is, at the very least, partially responsible for each of those deaths. He deserves his punishment.

 

Being nominated for the nobel peace prize is a far cry from winning... having your name mentioned to the right person can get you nominated .... I would be surpised if a thousand people have even read his books.... the best selling one only sold 330 copies... one of them only sold two.

I do agree it's all about politics and i don't know the details of his case...

but i agree with lorien1973

 

This guy has to die

we have a thread going at my site: http://www.gabbr.com/thread.php?id=132

in the tread a poster makes an interesting comment :

"If this individual is granted clemency, this will send a bad precedence through out the law enforcement community."

He makes a good point indeed

 

Oh yes white america is responsible for the problems of black america. Last I checked america is a shade of gray. Besides the little pockets of inbred white supremists pockets you'd be hard pressed to find many "all white" families. It seems like everyone now has a family member or themselves are mixed, dating or married to someone of a different color. Just like the people themselves America is hardly black or white.

 

And what would that be, if you kill someone you spend the rest of your life behind bars?

 

I really don't give ahsit about tookie, but I am opposed to the death penalty in general, the whole logic of it is off, we will show people its wrong to kill people by killing someone, it just seems retarded

 

Tell that to his victims families....... think about this... if you were one you would feel differently.

 

well thats sort of true, but I'll bet there are victims families out there who would like the people tortured to death, it doesn't mean we as a society should start torturing people to death.

 

why don't you take a look at the innocenceproject and see how many of those people are white and how many are black?

Why don't you look at the statistics of how many blacks/whites we've executed.

The conclusion is quite obvious to anyone that can read a graph. So tell me, are blacks inherently prone to committing far more crimes than every other race or is our justice system racist and biased...

 

Apparently California's lead actor - er, Gov., was not moved by the media blitz and pressure to spare the life of Stanley Williams, co-founder of the Crips, who refused to take onus of his actions or apologize.

"Stanley Williams insists he is innocent, and that he will not and should not apologize or otherwise atone for the murders of the four victims in this case," Schwarzenegger wrote. "Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings there can be no redemption."

"Based on the cumulative weight of the evidence, there is no reason to second guess the jury's decision of guilt or raise significant doubts or serious reservations about Williams' convictions and death sentence."

The execution will go on as scheduled in a few hours.

 

wrmineo, I merged the threads.

Tookie Williams killed people, right? So who cares what happens to him!?

 

Thanks for the merge Rob - no prob.

I'm with PaleSpyder on this one - bring back public executions.

If capital punishment is to be legal, and truly a deterrent then I believe a few changes are in order:

First, appeals should not be years, but months. If there is irrefutable evidence and proof of guilt, why should one suck up public resources waiting ten years for their punishment.

Second - already mentioned, make it public. I'm not saying I want my kids watching this on television, but people should see the consequences for capital crimes ... capital punishment.

For that matter, I applaud other society's that have public, corporal punishment. To paraphrase someone else, I'll bet that little punk kids who spray painted those cars in Korea and got caned in the public square didn't do that crap again.

Thanks again for the merge Rob - good watchful eye ~ W. R. Mineo (Rob)

 

I might be for that if the bold above is an actual reality, much of the time it is not though. I also would only support it in the worst of crimes.

 

You're an idiot. All it takes is a graph to tell you that white people "have it in" for black people.

Everything has problems including our justice system. That doesn't mean the problem is one of racism overall, although in some cases there have been due to racism.

I know racism exists in America. That doesn't mean any time there is a person of color who commits a crime that people should scream racism. (but it's so easy for you to do isn't)

Last I heard Tookie had a jury. A jury is made up of citizens. So how are you going to say that the justice system is racist? If anything you could say those individual people are racist.

So tell me how “the white man” turned Tookie into a gang leader and put a gun in his hand.

 

hrblcantra:

Believe or not, I am not a supporter of the death penalty at all, and that was not my intended message if that's how I allowed it to come across.

BUT, if it is going to be the law, it should be done in such a way that is in fact judicious and expeditous.

Also, there are those on death row, who've been there for decades, who have readily admitted to their crimes, bragged even, who are not legally, mentally retarded, who are aware, and often proud, of their actions. To me, to make them wait for years on end for their judgement day is in itself cruel.

Personally I think the death penalty is a double standard; kill and be killed - not the message I won't to go to my maker with when my day comes for judgement.

However, I won't lie, I won't lay awake feeling sorry for Williams tonight, but I will keep his victims in mind.

 

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You're right... white people never "owned" slaves and the KKK never ran wild without punishment ... just like the Holocaust never happened!

Hmmm... let's see how the JUSTICE SYSTEM works....

This prosecutor was severely criticized twice for racial discrimination in jury selection. He struck the only blacks on Tookie Williams' jury ... peremptorily and he compared them to a Bengal tiger. Let me talk about one of the witnesses, the principle witness, Alfred Coward. Alfred Coward was supposedly a part of this robbery, which resulted in this murder. ... He received complete immunity.

Now... maybe if you weren't such a moron you would notice something. First the racial descrimination of jury selection and lack of blacks on the jury... and secondly the fact that they told star witness to lie and save his own ass.

But the court system works right

 

So tell me how slavery generations ago effects you now? Do you think you deserve 40 acres and a mule?

So the people on the jury were basically thinking, "I don't care who this guy is. He's black. He's guilty." Is that what your telling me? That seems more like the case of individuals being racists to me.

And you didn't say anything about the crimes that Tookie has admitted to committing. Who made him commit those? Racist white people?