Damn... conservatives won...

Is there a shortage of heterosexual couples trying to adopt?

I do not believe that there is. It is my understanding that legalized abortion makes the number of children available for adoption very small.

 

There is a shit load of asian kids to adopt, I think there is just a demand for white ones, I rememeber reading there are tons of chinese girls due to their undesirability in that culture

 

In other words, there is such a shortage of children to adopt that prospective parents are travelling to the far side of the globe and buying children from the Communist Chinese.

Therefore, there is limited need to place children in orphanages or with homosexual couples, or in any less-than-optimal family arrangement.

Mind you, we still do. Adoption is government-managed, and that almost always means that it is mis-managed. All sorts of unfit parents are paid by the government to care for children at the current time, while fit parents are turned away. The system sucks.

I have nothing against gays. I don't believe it's a sin. However, I do believe that it is not the most optimal situation for raising children. Boys do best when raised with male influence. Girls do best when raised with female influence.

In this way, homosexual couples are no better and no worse than single-parent families.

If there was a shortage of heterosexual couples, I would be all for adoption by homosexual couples. However, as that is not the case, I do not believe that placing children in less-than-optimal situations is justifiable.

 

Ferret77 wrote:

If you read my post you quoted...
Edz wrote:

...you see that i regard having gay parents much worse then growing up in a orphange or ward of the state.

Therefor i said the comparisement is not applicable...you said how about the orphange and ward of the state and that that isn't stressfull?

I considder having gay parents far worse then stresfull.

Your post:
ferret77 wrote:

Aren't you saying here that an orphange or as ward of the state is more stressfull?...then being rediculed and terrorized by other youths being at school or other social environment

And now your saying the opposite again (see first quote) that having gay parents is more stressfull because of the fact you are going to be terrorized by other youths?

Why are you flip flopping? It's clearly stated by me that having gay parents is far worse then growing up in a orphange or ward of the state because you would be terrorized instead as you put made fun of...

Very strange behaviour ferret77

 

Will...

Well if you are saying that a boy would be better with a male parent then what's wrong with two homosexual men adopting a boy. Or two lesbians adopting a girl.

If gender is an issue, than whatever, but it shouldn't affect what people are allowed to do. You don't choose to be gay. Most people want kids but can't help the way they feel. They shouldn't be punished.

 

Excellent point.

That is much closer to optimal, but still not quite optimal.

So... a boy goes to his dad to talk about girls... but his dad doesn't know anything about dating girls... hmmm...

I need to think about that one for a bit.

Ah, but is not being allowed to adopt -- in favor of better parents for the children -- "punishment"?

Or, should we not expend more effort on ensuring that we do not "punish" the children by placing them in less-than-optimal environments?

Who is more important, the adopters or the adoptees?

 

Edz being a ward of the state is worse then being made fun of at school

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=547647&page=1

There are plenty of black babies in the US adopt people just perfer asians and russians

so I would say this

is untrue

 

I have friends who adopted chinese girls, others with a black child, others with girls from asia, all just adopted from where they felt they were needed the most. Great families too.

We had thought about adopting, but I think 6 is our limit. We did have a foster girl for a year but she was able to go back to mom after mom had some amazing changes in her life - that was (and is) an awesome experience seeing the parent getting changed, off drugs, and doing very well.

 

ferret77 wrote:

A defination of being a ward of the state can be seen below...i looked it up because there was room for misinterpertation...and my feelings of this definition was correct.
http://www.vesid.nysed.gov/specialed/idea/idea2004_files/textonly/slide20.html

Still i say that made fun of at school is a understatement since a child is going to be terrorized and being made fun of is a phase a lot of children have to endure.

Being terrorized is not a part of growing up!
And having gay parents will result in being terrorized as well as being made fun of...and that for the rest of your life in the community where the child will grow up...

That's so great for a new life being placed in worlds society isn't it?

A boy needs motherly influence as well and a girl need the influence of a father...and yes a boy will take example towards it's father but it definately also needs a mother...and not another father. And vice versa of course.

If a child is going to be adopted a male-female solution is the best for the childs mental and social upbringing.
The choice is there so make it the right one.

 

This post explains a lot about you. First, you are listening to way too much Liberal propaganda. Harper has stated repeatedly that while he is willing to hold open votes on those issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc.) none of them are even close to being priorities for him or for the party. Second, Harper never said anything even close to that about women. These are statements the Liberals made in their attack ads when they knew they were losing and had no way to counter the obviously accurate concern that the Liberals themselves were liars, thieves, and self-serving criminals. I would also point out that it was predominantly Leafs fans who just reelected Belinda Stronach - obviously, being a fan of either the Leafs or Belinda requires the same characteristic: low IQ and terminal gullibility.

Thank you for the breath of intelligence - such a refreshing contrast to the person I previously quoted...

 

It's sad to see so many homophobic people here. What the hell are you all afraid of?

So, two guys raise a child? So what? Does it automatically follow that the child will be gay? Is homosexuality an airbourne virus??? I missed the news on that.

 

I guess you didn't read the whole thread as carefully as you should have before saying this.

 

I do not consider myself "homophobic", and while I agree there are people that are, so what? Did it ever occur to you that some people were just raised differently? While I have no problems with gay people, or gay people raising children, I was raised Catholic and as many others who have certain beliefs was taught it was wrong. I am not saying it is, nor do I believe it is, but... If you are going to ask that those that think it is wrong or label them as, "homophobic" are supposed to somehow respect homosexuality, then they too should respect the beliefs of others that it is wrong.

It works both ways. I'll leave it at that.

 

Edz think getting mad fun of at school will ruin your life

 

True, but there are no shortage of Nike factorys out there for them to work in either.

 

No, being terrorized your whole school life and your life in the environment you grow up where people knowing you have gay parents will ruin your life!!

Being bullied and terrorized on a daily basis does nothing to a childs mental health?

 

Yeah but its sort of ignorant, like it wasn't that long ago that a lot people thought it was ok to own black people, in this country many of them were christians, and it does say in the bible its ok to own slaves.

Should you respect the way those people were "brought up" ,

 

It might make them good at fist fights, actually a lot of gay people fight pretty good , at least in fist fights I have seen, probably for this reason

 

Absolutely wrong. Do you think a thread on DP is going to make me believe otherwise. If you base a decision to place (or not place) adopted children with someone based solely on their sexual preference, you're retarded. Straight parents raise gay children and gay parents raise straight children. Show me a correlation to prove otherwise.

Homophobes often claim they are not because nobody will listen to them after admitting it. Nobody, except, that is... other homophobes.


...and on the election... I think Canadians are tired of politicians in general.
Two minority governments in a row, one to the left and one to the right. I think Canadians effectively said "We're really sick of the whole bunch of you.".

 

So... What you're basing your "arguement" on is the "fact" that straight kids with straight parents never get bullied?