Does God exist?

The logical fallacy you just committed is known as the Argumentum ad populum.

Bzzzt! Wrong again. A proper judge will consider the law and the evidence, but will not consider people's opinions -- no matter how popular those opinions may be.

You have an uneducated opinion that there is a god. This is sad, but it is otherwise meaningless.

 

This topic is still alive?

Can we... kill it with fire? Just like the Inquisition did to anyone who didn't believe on god?

Ho ho, I went there.

 

Yay humour Something not seen much in this thread.

 

Is it impossible to prove that god doesn't exist, the same way as one cannot prove his existence?

Join the debate.. (See my signature)

 

It's also impossible to prove that a tiny, invisible horse lives in my lower intestine. that doesn't make the the claim that it doesn't equal to the assertion that it does.

 

Occam's Razor anyone?

 

@stOx : We already had this discussion . You decided to just stick your fingers into your ears and claim that illogical thinking is a bad thing .

Also in an ironical turn the guy that putted man on the moon was a religious guy .

EDIT : Will posted ahead of me so I had to modify this a bit

 

As i recall it was you who claimed that all unproven assertions are equal, something which we all know to be complete bollocks. As was proven by your reluctance to confirm that our examples of assertions were equal. As i recall, it was only the assertions that you had personally made that were supposed to be entitled to this special treatment.

Purely incidental. His religion had about as much influence on it as the colour of his socks did. We went to the moon purely because of science, regardless what mumbo jumbo they believed in their spare time.

"Houston, we have a problem"
"ok, let me just ask a magic man to help"
"fuck that shit, fix it with science"

 

Ya that shitty illogical thinking if we could only exterminate love , mercy , compassion , altruism and other such vile non scientific things .

Ofc it's purely incidental . If he was an atheist you'd have written pages about the guy's religion and how he became an atheist . But if he has a bloody religion is as important as the color of his socks .

 

Did we pray to get to the moon or did we build a fucking spaceship?

 

I don't know how that relates to what i said, but i'll kick the shit out of it purely on the grounds that i quite enjoy humiliating you in public. "love" can be measured, it can be seen in the brain as regions light up. Mercy, compassion and altruism are descriptions of actions, actions which can be seen. So yeah, entirely unrelated to the claim that god exists.

You have just made that up. We can all invent contrived, fabricated accounts of claims someone would make if things were different, but the fact is i have never said that. You, however, just did. You just drew a connection between someones religion and their achievements. Something which you know obviously realise is fatuous, and so decided to make up an account of what atheists might say if things were different. let's stick to reality eh. I know you're not a fan of reality, but it's all we have im afraid.

 

So if for you love is just a chemical reaction what do you tell your girl : "Baby I don't love you it's just some chemicals making me think illogical " .

And ya compassion an action . To bad Wikipedia don't say it is an action : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion .

Mercy is also an action . It is clearly stated that in sentences like "I mercyed a homeless person today" Strange that this site donse't say it's a action : http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mercy . They must be some foolish believers saying that bull . It's obvious that mercy is an action .

Altruism : http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/altruism . Nope , still no action .

Bloody illogical thinking how dare it defies the all knowing logic . We should exterminate any human that is not fully logical ..... wait all the human can have illogical thinking ? Then we should exterminate all humans . It is only logical .

 

So because you don't like how it sounds you don't believe it? Sorry, but all of your emotions are the result of chemical and electrical activity in your brain (such as it is).

You don't have to use the scientific explanation for the emotion, just like when your girlfriend makes a nice dinner you don't say "i enjoyed consuming those protein and carbohydrates you prepared. Let me rest here while my stomach acid breaks it down converting it in to chyme which will solidify and eventually be excreted out of my anus in the form of feces in approximately 8 hours from now", even though that is what happens. You say "thanks for dinner, it was nice".

Emotions do have meaning and they do have an effect, they are still the result of electrical and chemical stimulation though. get over it, it's not magic.

They manifest as actions. An action can, and is, described as compassionate, altruistic and merciful. If you want to argue semantics you can do it on your own. Even if we concede that that don't always manifest as actions, the fact that they sometimes do proves that they exit.

 

So you're just telling your girl lies when you're claiming you have feeling for her . All you got is just some chemicals and electricity. You see I never said feelings are magical but you seem to have the need to insist that they're must not be considered magical . And that is because I said it's illogical . And since the lack of logic makes things magic for you .... well let's just say that you're living in a world of magic .

So mercy , love , altruism and compassion are logical . Now can you explain what's the logic behind mercy ? I'm curious why I don't just kill someone when I start beating the crap out of him ?

Oh an why you're at it would you be so kind to sort the logics behind love ? People are looking for an algorithm to end this pesky problem .

 

Apocalypse, while it may seem awful to tell someone that your love for them is purely chemical, that does not prove that it isn't.

I love my girlfriend more than anything in the world. I know this love is an evolutionary mechanism, but to me this doesn't trivialise the concept of romance.

Mercy relates to guilt and conscience. The logic or reasoning behind it most likely is that they are reflections of societal norms and selfish subconscious prevention of consequences, such as incarceration or punishment. Before "civilisation" and universal morality, I would expect man to have not shown much mercy.

 

Not really , I could have disposed of the corpse at a friends foundry . At 1400 C the guy would have been gone without a trace . I just felt merciful after he felt to the ground and walked away .

What's the logic of feeling sorry when you see someone that's heavily injured ? Compassion has no logic .

As for love we still have a long way to research when it comes to biology . You could say that it's a mechanism to ensure temporary loyalty . If so it's fukt up mechanism because it's functions even after the delivery of a child . Logic and love simply don't mix .

What's the logic in being altruistic and giving some money to a beggar ? Logic dictates that you should protect your propriety now waste it .

 

I have, and experience, the feeling, like i said, but that feeling is caused by chemical and electrical activity in the brain. Sorry that i debunked your fatuous point so well, would you mind if you stopped repeating it now as though nobody explained it?

Because we have evolved empathy. we have a brain (some of us) sufficiently advanced to be able to identify with what someone else may be experiencing and experience it on some level ourselves in sympathy. We evolved that because living in a society where we have things like compassion, mercy and altruism is beneficial to the society, and ultimately ourselves. And as social animals, we are dependent on the solidarity of our community.

It's an evolved feeling, no different to the feeling monogamous animals, like penguins, experience. We evolved as an animal which benefits from being in a family unit. We give birth to offspring which take a relatively long time to reach maturity. Our offspring, and ultimately a portion of our genetic material, do best if they have a family unit (two or more), to care for them. The longing to be with someone and ensure their safety is a result of that.

This is probably the most effortless humiliation i have ever inflicted upon you, and there has been a lot to pick from. Are you going to make the fatuous point that because you don't like how it sounds it must be untrue again?

 

Sorry, not really what?

Mate, just because you think it doesn't have logic, or you don't know how it can be logical, does not mean that there is no logic involved...

Says who? Do you know the extent of any research on the subject?

No, it's a mechanism to ensure remaining with someone long enough to provide a more likely probability of reproduction.

You're confusing social norms with logic. There are so many men who leave after a child is born, this is an evolutionary concept to increase the population - as they're likely to reproduce with other partners - and the spreading of genes and therefore the continuation of evolution.

As Dawkins has stated, the logic behind altruism has nothing to do with religion or organised morality. It probably has something to do with the fact that early man lived in small and mobile communities, meaning that doing good to others generated a reward to oneself in the future, as encountering the person again is highly probable.

See, I can provide plausible explanations to things. Don't be so quick to rubbish ideas and give such absolute answers to things just because you, or others, don't necessarily have the answer. This is such a common problem with theists.

 

You mind linking the complete list of chemicals and electric impulses need to cause love ? Oh wait there isn't one ? No science to back up you claims of logic ?

A evolved feeling huh ? How do feelings evolve ? The bad feeling genes are killed by natural selection ? Also monogamous animals are always monogamous . Some are monogamous , some polygamous and some end their monogamous relationship . Haven't seen a penguin commit suicide because of his "love" .

But we're social animals and just like bees we kill each other and commit suicide . Oh wait they don't do that . Strange ?

stOx keep thinking that you're superior . I enjoy seeing you foam your mouth . If you expect an academic conversation the go look for your Muslim half Menj , he might try to reason whit you . In the mean time did you know that atheist are smarter then believers ? I have a study proving it !!! Oh wait , I don't , I just like to post bull .