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Flippa Has Lost Their Mind

Discussion in 'General Business' started by Flamerid, May 27, 2010.

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    There's a situation I've been dealing with on Flippa for quite a few weeks now. I thought everyone might be interested since there's some obvious fraud going on within the Flippa support. I posted this up at the Flippa marketplace feedback forum as well. Here's the situation in a nut shell.

    I posted this to the support desk, and I took it to the sitepoint feedback forum as well just in case the support team really is fraudulent. I don't know what I'm going to do. Does anybody have any suggestions? Maybe I can take the issue higher up, but I don't really know anybody at sitepoint.
     
    Flamerid, May 27, 2010 IP
  2. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    So your site allows downloading of copyrighted content, Flippa doesn't allow it and your defense is that other people do it too? lol

    http://flippa.com/about/copyright

    If you are trying to sell a site that violates their terms of service, how is Flippa losing their mind?
     
    digitalpoint, May 27, 2010 IP
  3. Flamerid

    Flamerid Active Member

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    If we were hosting download content that was copyrighted, then we would've been closed. There's nothing wrong with scanalations/fansubs. Also, did you read my post? We only provide MU/Rapidshare links. There's many sites ON Flippa that sell the content I'm linking to. If they weren't losing their mind, then why are they only attacking my site and not the several others? It sounds like double standards to me.
     
    Flamerid, May 27, 2010 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    Do you have a report of all sites that were removed from Flippa? I'm pretty sure yours isn't the only one.

    The issue really has nothing to do with other sites, just yours. If YOUR sites breaks their rules, then they are right to remove it.
     
    digitalpoint, May 27, 2010 IP
  5. Flamerid

    Flamerid Active Member

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    Well, I don't have a list of the sites they've deleted. If they have a standard against sites like mine, then why are they telling me it's ok to sell those other sites but they won't tell me which of my content is copyrighted. If I have any illegal material, I'll be glad to remove it because copyrighted material is a liability for my investment. Also, I get my traffic because of my ranking on Google not because of the downloads so it doesn't affect the site in anyway.

    My point is that Flippa isn't monitoring any of their stuff. Why tell me that my site's not good to list when they have other sites like mine on there. This tells me that they don't check reported sites and they're not monitoring the listings, resulting in this situation. As a paying customer who uses their services, I think my point's pretty solid.
     
    Flamerid, May 27, 2010 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    Just sounds like you want your site to be allowed to break their rules becomes some others slipped through.
     
    digitalpoint, May 27, 2010 IP
  7. soneat

    soneat Peon

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    He is not hosting any copyrighted material. If there is no copyrighted material on the server, then clearly, Flippa is in the wrong.
    Is Google breaking copyright law? Can't you find a ton of copyrighted stuff through Google? It's only links though, isn't it?

    Flamerid, as long as there is a disclaimer clearly stating that no copyrighted content is hosted on the server and that you are merely acting as a "search-provider", I don't see how they could accuse you of breaching their TOS. It is a slippery slope though. Flippa would like to cover their arses from potential lawsuits. That I do understand. You might also want to state that you do not have any connection to the original uploader of the content (whether that's true or not if up to you to decide).

    Cheers
     
    soneat, May 28, 2010 IP
  8. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    No one said he was breaking the law. Flippa doesn't have to allow sites if they don't want to. They make their own rules.
     
    digitalpoint, May 28, 2010 IP
  9. soneat

    soneat Peon

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    No doubt mate, Flippa can do whatever they want.
    I'm just wondering how Flippa defines "copyright breaking" (for the lack of a better word) websites?
    Is it websites hosting copyrighted material, websites linking to that material, websites talking about it?
     
    soneat, May 28, 2010 IP
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    utahseopros Peon

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    That would be interesting to know more details on. Their copyright breaking standards. Whether or not it is really hosted, or if the site just links to it, talking about it. I am also sure that they have scaled pretty largely and may not have enough support to monitor everything that gets posted so quickly. So yes, some sites are definitely going to slip through, which they may get to later and remove. There is a lot behind it. Either way, if your site violates any of their terms, they can remove it. I wasn't aware that they still keep your fee if your listing doesn't even get to show up. Can you shed some more light on that?
     
    utahseopros, May 28, 2010 IP
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    I have dealt with a similar problem with adwords on google theres no way to win but to keep on trying.
     
    coopersPick, May 28, 2010 IP
  12. Flamerid

    Flamerid Active Member

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    They can do whatever they want, and I have no problem with that. I told them I would work with them. What makes me mad is that they outright stole my listing fee, and they're ignoring me. $20 is still $20. Nobody's replied to my topic on sitepoint, so I'm guessing an administrator was somehow involved with the decision.
     
    Flamerid, May 29, 2010 IP
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    TOS -- This is how they're keeping your listing, legally.

    Read up on some of the high profile copyright cases that have happened recently, notably those of Kazaa and TPB. Courts are finding people liable even if they're not hosting the content themselves. So going by legal precedent, you're site is infringing.
     
    joebert, May 29, 2010 IP
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    Flamerid Active Member

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    That's assuming the content I'm linking to is copyright infringement. You're making the same assumptions they did.
     
    Flamerid, Jun 1, 2010 IP
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    Flippa is in the wrong here I agree, this should be an open market on one hand but perhaps they had some copyright website sale complaints in the past and that is why they are so paranoid now. Don't fret though there's a dozen other website flip merchant sites but flippa is one of best so I heard
     
    MarTh-, Jun 1, 2010 IP
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    flippa has gone worst.I recently opened an account in flippa and my account got banned saying duplicate account.I cant believe this.They took my listing fees as well.
    Is there any way i can claim my money back from Flippa.I sent mail to customer support they havent replied me back.It has gone passed 2 days now.
     
    vistha82, Mar 19, 2012 IP
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    We have to understand we're at the mercy of a site's terms when we engage. That's it. Just as a restaurant can refuse you service or a casino can kick you out for being a clown. You can burn up two more weeks battling with their service department OR invest the next two weeks directly contacting your "competitors" and offer them your site for sale.
     
    imedia2011, Mar 24, 2012 IP
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    They only God damn reason why they lost their mind, is because of their EXPENSIVENESS! They are too greedy!
     
    Benignant, Mar 30, 2012 IP