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Is there other ways to earn Online besides SEO?

Discussion in 'General Business' started by FireStorM, Jul 10, 2006.

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    I know many people earning lots online ( More than $1000/month) without doing any SEO , what do these people do to earn ? can anyone help me know that

    thx lots
     
    FireStorM, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  2. jhmattern

    jhmattern Illustrious Member

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    Well, personally I wouldn't consider $1000/month to be "lots" ... that's not even really a living (if you just do it part-time, then sure it's a nice chunk of change). ;)

    There's a lot you can do online other than SEO work. You can sell a product (whether physical products or information products). You can get paid to write for online publications. You can provide a service online such as SEO for other people, marketing, etc.

    Jenn
     
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    Klaas Koopman Well-Known Member

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    I'd say learn something first! Don't learn something because there is money to be made in it, but learn something because you want to!

    I have learned webdesign/graphics design. I am making a small living out of it, and I am not using SEO, well I am hiring people to do that, but other then that, I don't touch it! I just get my word out and sell digital services/products!
     
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    Kalev Peon

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    Same here, I learned to program in Visual Basic just for fun. Then I wanted to know how dynamic websites are working and I learned to use php and html.
    Currently I'm trying to figure out C#. And thanks to all this I quit my old job last year and have earned income way above average.
     
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    Are you talking about driving traffic without SEO or making money without using free orgranic search engine traffic?
     
    theultimatepublishing, Jul 13, 2006 IP
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    Correctus Straight Edge

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    Money making tricks well.

    Affiliate programs, get em clients and earn the money, its all about finding the right people to market for.

    Post in Forums that pay you to post, thats dirt money, but at least its money

    Make or buy resell rights of products and sell them on a website

    Thats kinda it

    IT
     
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    Affiliate programs using PPC - in other words throwing traffic at affiliate landing pages.
     
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    MattUK Notable Member

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    Some alternative to SEO,

    Ebay - buying and selling
    Running your own affiliate programme
    E-Mail marketing
    Pay per click promotion
    Shopping portals
    Webmaster services- link building/directory submission
    Advertising on other sites

    Don't expect the potential returns to be as high as with SEO though, the potential trffic is less and the costs tend to work our much more. SEO provideds easily the best ROI
     
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    jhmattern Illustrious Member

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    I'd have to disagree with that. A lot of online businesses provide a good ROI; not just SEO, and it's certainly not "easily the best". I have extremely low overhead on my business, don't pay a dime to market or advertise yet, and I'm making more than enough money providing PR, writing, and editing services. And there are plenty of people making a hefty income with ebay stores and other things you mentioned as well ... far more than most people sticking exclusively to SEO tactics.

    Jenn
     
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    MattUK Notable Member

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    I didn't say that, I said the portential returns with SEO are higher.

    I guess it's each to their own. I work for a specialist internet marketing agency and it's in my experience that in the vast majority of cases SEO provides a much better ROI in the medium and long term for most clients.

    With most other tactics you have to keep paying at a similar rate, email marketing for example you have to pay monthly list managment fees. With advertising you obviously have to pay a fixed monthly charge. Also typically you suffer from diminising returns on your investment as people get more used to seeing your email and ads.

    With SEO once you hit the top three positions in the SERPS you have to work at keeping it there but you are able to cut back on your monthly spend or even go after other keyword results.

    Obviously selling press releases on a forum is a little different as there is no investment required in the first place, though as would probably apply with Ebay is that it's a much smaller chunk of the potential market so you're limited in your marketing potentail.

    I certainly don't advocate pure SEO as a marketing tactic, we encourage clients to use each potential revenue stream available to them in order to maximise returns. Our of these SEO offers the best ROI.
     
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    jhmattern Illustrious Member

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    My point though is that it's not necessarily true that the returns are higher. It's impossible to even compare most. As I said, in my own business (run online), I make an extremely high ROI, because I invest next to nothing and bring in significant income.

    Even people focusing on SEO tend to end up advertising their sites, which offsets the income. Because you work in that particular field, you see that return first-hand. What you don't see is that there are in fact other methods that do equally as well, and sometimes better. I'm not knocking SEO. It's important. But I think placing it as the "best" method to earn money online isn't simply accurate.

    Actually, my press releases that I pull in from here are an extremely small part of my business. I run a full service PR firm, and focus heavily on musicians' and authors' publicity campaigns; none of which I pull in from marketing here or in any other forum. I make a significant income without having to spend money on advertising or marketing, because I build a reputation with vital clients who spread the word for me. I'm certainly not limited in any marketing potential. Marketing / PR is my expertise, so I do it quite actively... I just know how to find techniques that I don't need to pay for and can get the results I want. ;) As for an ebay store, I really can't speak to that, b/c it's something I haven't done. But I have done SEO work with networks that I've worked with. As I said, I do know it's important. But I've had equal success at driving traffic by using other techniques, rather than SEO alone.

    As with everything else, the effectiveness of SEO or any other type of business is going to depend entirely on the niche the individual wants to pursue. Not everything lends itself to falling into such a broad generalization. Some niches are so saturated that you're going to have an enormously difficult time ranking with SEO techniques, compared to using other promotional / marketing methods. Offering a service or product in those cases can certainly be more profitable than trying to run a site where you're hoping to earn a decent profit predominantly through SEO.

    Jenn
     
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    Not necessarily, but in the vast majority of cases they are. Citing your business model which isn't typical of the majority of online business just goes to prove that there always exceptions to the rule.
     
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