McDar Experiment

I am seeing a huge "flip-flop" in allinanchor across the datacenters today!!!!

*A* = Allinanchor


Caryl

 

This "October 2005 Google Event " is being discussed in a thread on this forum...

Google seems to be dancing

(I've entered this link mostly for historical referrence)

Caryl

 

Unless those datacenters reverse themselves very quickly I'd guess the page is going to take a helluva dive in the next couple of days. Perfucked! just perfucked!

 

Agreed!!!!!

This is absolutely PERFUCKED!

 

The damned dc's must be reading the anchor text as beeping slags. They need to see an eye doctor.

Nuts now I gotta check everything for my sites.

G you big bastard!

 

This morning I am seeing a major change in the allinanchor, allintitle, allintext, and allinurl rankings as well!!

Below are results for the experiment page as well as a page from a different site I am monitoring:



Caryl

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
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Last 10 days

Postion #30 allinanchor: #6 --10/05/2005 [9 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28, 13 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #6 on ALL DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #4 --10/06/2005 [29 DCs #11, 4 DCs #26]**(Note: Allinanchor #4 on 29 DCs, #6 on 4 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #4 --10/07/2005 [ALL DCs #11]**(Note: Allinanchor #4 on ALL DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #4 --10/08/2005 [ALL DCs #11]**(Note: Allinanchor #4 on ALL DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/09/2005 [30 DCs #9, 3 DCs #769]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 30 DCs, #791 on 3 DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/10/2005 [30 DCs #9, 3 DCs #491]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 30 DCs, #793 on 3 DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/11/2005 [27 DCs #9, 6 DCs #756]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #796 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/12/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #751]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #794 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/13/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #743]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)

Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 -10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]** (Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 4, 2005 13:31:07 GMT
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

138 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

1110 - 8/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1120 - 8/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1100 - 9/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
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PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION
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Note:Google API has page at #9999

 

to make it more readable...

Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 -10/17/2005
Position:
3 DCs #12
2 DCs #486
5 DCs #742
2 DCs #743
4 DCs #744
10 DCs #753
6 DCs #764

Allinanchor:
#793 on 6 DCs
#794 on 14 DCs
#795 on 6 DCs
#796 on 3 DCs
#798 on 4 DCs

 

One can only shake one's head. I know it's been said before but PERFUCKED!!!!!

 

Yup it looks like D'day at Google for a lot of webmasters with years under thier belts. It almost seems as though this is the intent! Out with the old and in with the new .

 

Google will eventually get this sorted out and sites will return to ~ their normal/previous position.

This is the same type screw up that happened last February. Folks just can't help to think when things like this happen - it just may be GOOGLE FUCKING UP!

Well - that is where I am putting my money!

Caryl

 

Gotta go back to this, Caryl. Why are some of the other sites for sleeping bags stable and the experiment page again suffering from Googles version of Mexican jumping beans?

Don't expect anyone to answer...but I find that a vexing question.

Dave

 

Earlpearl: I know you have asked Caryl a question that is difficult to explain. IMO, ALL seo tools have a shelf life . I have followed that thread (Ranking Exp.) and my conclusion was drawn a month ago.

Latest G Update: Also I am very suspect of the main target here being 'footer links'. No penalties but perhaps devalued (0). Links appearing above the fold carry more weight than below??? It sorta makes sense!

 

Personally, I dont think I have any footer links (at least not that I know of). If I buy links, it has to be in a visible spot, so I get traffic from. Footers suck.

I think the higher up in the html the better, obviously, more a multitude of reasons.

I'm curious as well. Have other pages besides the "sleeping bags" page been affected? Is it that one mainly? Could it be over-optimized BL's (hate to drag that one out) that causes problems?

 

If they are targetting 'footer links' then this would be ridiculously easy to manipulate using CSS.............You can make them appear first in the code and last on screen.

 

Great point. Just one more example of how all these "penalization/devaluation" myths can't possibly hold water.

Google doesn't know where the f**k the fold is on a page. It depends on the resolution of the viewer's monitor and how many tool bars he is using. I agree if you are looking for click through traffic you would like you link at the top of the page -- maybe -- but as far as the value to the search engines it just isn't possible.

It is also possible that people ignore all the banners and crap on the top of the page and won't consider clicking on a link until they have looked at the page content and as a result are now looking at the footer.

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #11 allinanchor: #4 --10/06/2005 [29 DCs #11, 4 DCs #26]**(Note: Allinanchor #4 on 29 DCs, #6 on 4 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #4 --10/07/2005 [ALL DCs #11]**(Note: Allinanchor #4 on ALL DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #4 --10/08/2005 [ALL DCs #11]**(Note: Allinanchor #4 on ALL DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/09/2005 [30 DCs #9, 3 DCs #769]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 30 DCs, #791 on 3 DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/10/2005 [30 DCs #9, 3 DCs #491]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 30 DCs, #793 on 3 DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/11/2005 [27 DCs #9, 6 DCs #756]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #796 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/12/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #751]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #794 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/13/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #743]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)

Postion #27 allinanchor: #806 -10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]** (Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 15, 2005 19:48:02 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

138 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

1110 - 8/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1120 - 8/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1100 - 9/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #?

 

Here is a post from another thread...

Here is a look at the cache date record as of this morning:


...perhaps just another coincidence...

 

Sorry Compar, can't agree with you on this one. If you go to google's optimization tips you will see evidence that they do acknowledge prime space on viewing monitors. Even though they are talking about adsense this proves having knowledge of prime real estate on your monitor.

Quote taken right from this page. Your point is good in that monitors come in all shapes and sizes and run at various resolutions. My point is your damn right they know what is prime and non prime real estate on any monitor. With that in mind this idea of devaluing OB footer links seems worthy of thought, IMO.

 

Compar is referring to the algo not being able to work out which part of the page is real estate. Not Google itself. CSS can be used to make code at the top of the page show up as a footer.

Caryl,
I had a site that showed a description/ title from months ago under certain searches. It has fixed in the last few hours though and the site is ranking for its name again. Part of the same issue?