McDar Experiment

I show a cache for that page:
http://216.239.57.98/search?q=cache...eeping-Bags.htm+allinurl:sleeping+bags+&hl=en

Page is also there?
http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm

Is that the current version or an older version?

 

Dave,

THE only way folks will be able to witness these "cache anomolies" is if they take the time to record results on a daily basis.

To date, I know of no one who has bothered. So - no one has anything to say on the issue.

I have stated before (several times) Google says here...
http://www.google.com/help/features.html#cached

THIS is why I find it important to KNOW which cached version of my page Google is evaluating.

Caryl

 

This version of the page http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm

only existed for a very short period of time (days/weeks) before I changed the url to be all lower case.

Caryl

 

Hello Shannon,

I don't think it will be neccessary as I only found one referrence to the page with the very old Sleeping-Bags.htm url.

I think this was just a "peek" at some of Googles inner workings.

They will get things sorted out eventually.

Caryl

 

OK Caryl, thats a very interesting thought about the age of things.

About a week before Jagger arrived one of my sites disappeared from 20 odd [when its allins were very high], just like Jagger, and I put it down to a duplicate page on another site that had long disappeared and which had appeared, all of a sudden, in the allinurls - the site does not exist anymore and has not for some time so this perhaps adds credence to your story

 

Hi Foxy, you may find this an interesting read. This also helps me understand Bob and Caryl's meaning of broke.

I must learn not to take things so literally and probably stand to gain more knowledge .

Thanks for clarifying, Bob.

 

Just imagine how everyone would react if this update happened in the "real world".

In an instant, you have some major company or the city changing all the roads to go in completely different directions. All the businesses that relied on the old roads are screwed and now put into some back alley.

No one would dare day - well, you shouldn't have relied on that foot or drive-by traffic for business - you should have planned better. But thats the too-often retort I see on forums - welp, teaches you to rely on google doesnt it?. Next to the post "for every site that goes down, 1 goes up", it is the most irritating one.

And when not a single word is said about it - positive or negative - it raises even more eyebrows - to me, at least. Usually, I'd see a post on WMW from GG saying something positive about the changes - its goal or whatever - but this time, tight lipped as can be. Add that you get Cutts' blog asking for spam reports? Eh? Google can't tell what spam is now?

"Broken" is very apt.

 

Thanks Homer

Sometimes people [read G] just get too clever

If you have read this thread in its entirety you will notice inconsistancies that show human frailties....read human interference.. and as we all know when you shake a bowl of sand all the big bits surface and all the fine bits are below, which means that the wrong filter is being used.

As Bob has said for some time Google is perfucked

 

Yes there is a ton of fun reading if you follow the rel links .

he he he! Perfucked or broke I am sure there are folks that are capitalizing on this right now until they resolve it. If they resolve it as they have the PR leak via redirect it could be seen as a niche!

 

There won't be many comments simply because the huge majority of people simply don't have any data of their own. Very very very few track pages within their sites to this level.
People simply don't know if their sites are affected similarly, so they don't comment.

 

I suspect that is 99/5% true. I certainly don't track my sites like Caryl tracks this. Does anyone who is following this experiment go to this extent on their own sites?

Its a lot of work. In fact I've thrown out some questions that would probably require tracking the competition for sleeping bags. MORE WORK!

It is a monumental task. Kudo's to Caryl who has carried this experiment. It takes a lot of work and consistency.

Several times I've gone back through the history to track trends in serps and allinanchor.

That is a big job. One or several of us could go through the experiment and track changes in links and serps and allinanchor.

Frankly we have never been able to say..."This is exactly the case...this caused this" That would probably be impossible considering all the different elements in G's algos.

Regardless. Kudo's to Caryl

 

You should, if your going to, track all the allins....we already track the links on

http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm

and last years

http://www.mcdar.net/links_2004.htm

Unfortunately there have been some gaps this year due to work but the last was on the 20th and there will be another today

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
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Last 10 days

Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 -10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]** (Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 25, 2005 02:20:32 GMT
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
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PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
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~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
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~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
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~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links reported
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~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
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"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION
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Note:Google API has page at #28

 

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 -10/26/2005

Position
2 DCs #13 (66.102.9.* Datacenters)
10 DCs #28
4 DCs #29
12 DCs #30
5 DCs #31

Allinanchor
#802 on 2 DCs,
#803 on 11 DCs,
#804 on 10 DCs,
#806 on 10 DCs

 

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/jagger-2-update-info/

Oh - they figured they might test it for a while before spreading it throughout Google...

What a novel idea!

 

I don't see any difference in the keywords I'm looking at. I see the exact same rankings across the board. Its gotten worse. A site (different urls, exact same content) used to have positions 1,2,3,5, and 10 on the front page now has 1,2,3,4,7,10 ?

 

Johann,

I think this will roll out in waves just like the way it started.

As far as I can tell, you were not effected initially...

Oct.12th- I havent seen any major movement in my sites; but...

Oct.16th- I'm seeing a lot of up and down movement as well...

Maybe you'll see change shortly.

Caryl

 

I hope you are right. I'm getting just a tad frustrated with all this.

I'm more worried that some sort of BLOOP penalty has been put in; and that since I get a lot f BL's my writing articles and submitting them everywhere, that all that work is actually going to hurt me in the near future.

I'm not kidding when I'm starting to think about gettting a lot of inbound "click here" links LOL

 

OK, I've had it!
EVERY time someone slips in the serps - some new "penalty" gets created

SO - hear it here first!

I am officially creating "McDar Rewards" this is the only reason your sites will advance in the serps.

If your site moves up - it must be due to mcdar rewards. (Yah thats the ticket )

BTW - you can earn McDar Rewards with every pos rep given to me BUT you must be standing on your head when you give it! (NO EXCEPTIONS thanks Johann for the correction)

Caryl