McDar Experiment

But this is where I think it is a fools game. Your question still suggests something other than a random fuckup. I don't think there is any rational explanation. There is no "reason". It is a random occurrence. And if it is not absolutely random then it is chaos theory to the extreme. Some butterfly on the moon flapped its wing once in an asyncronous manner and the universe according to Google was thrown into discord forever.

I don't think Google will ever understand it. The chance that we will ever divine the reason is totally unimaginable. If you are looking for cause and effect here is what I think we have. The cause is that the system is broken and in total disarry, and the effect is that the results are unpredictable and unexplainable and totally random.

 

I don't agree with Compar's comments. But then it is only opinion. None of us really know. Maybe Google's engineer's don't know.

I believe the page is somewhat *fragile* subject to the google algo's.

It went through a tremendous roller coaster ride this past Feb/March and now it is going through the same.

Mabe it will settle down as Caryl suggested earlier, similar to where it was ranked before this latest set of google changes. That has been precedent.

We will see.

Some sites/pages are dramatically affected by these google updates. Other's aren't as affected.

IMHO this is one of the pages that is more affected. I'd like to see if we can find out.

course it could be a random fuck up. If it was do you think we would see a post in the Matt Cutts' blogs like this...."...12,000 random fuck ups. 3,000 google engineers fired. I suggest you use Yahoo!

 

Well - It's Official

The page is completely gone across all of the Datacenters.

Allinanchor is 118 across all of the Datacenters.

The good news is, it can only go up from here

Caryl

 

Was there a sitemap ever submitted for the experiment page? I just submitted one for my dropped site, and I noticed that the Google GUI for it is supposed to show me GoogleBot errors and everything... Overall, I know sites hit by Jagger with and without sitemaps submitted...


--
Derek

 

The difference in one year in ranking the page for the term is from #2 to out of the top 1,000. That is like the difference between Mother Theresa running the country and then Saddam Hussein taking over.

What gives google

 

Google == Tyrant


--
Derek

 

No site map submitted.

I tested out the "new" Google sitemaps thing on another site and even after submitting the sitemap, Google took weeks to update the content on the site.

Needless to say - I was NOT impressed.

This site has been up for years. It has been completely spidered. There is a link to the experiment page right from my main page and at the top of the menu. There are thousands of links to the page.

If Google can't find the page they should... - well shame on them!

Caryl

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )
Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 --11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]**(Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #482 allinanchor: #105 --11/24/2005 [10 DCs #430, 2 DCs #462, 4 DCs #464, 7 DCs #480, 10 DCs #482]**(Allinanchor #104 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #485 allinanchor: #108 --11/25/2005 [10 DCs #425, 2 DCs #481, 10 DCs #485, 4 DCs #488, 7 DCs #492]**(Allinanchor #108 on All DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #107 --11/26/2005 [2 DCs #392, 7 DCs #402, 10 DCs #425, 10 DCs #426, 4 DCs #472]**(Allinanchor #107 on 26 DCs, #108 on 6 DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #100 --11/27/2005 [4 DCs #421, 10 DCs #425, 6 DCs #437, 10 DCs #463, 3 DCs #485]**(Allinanchor #100 on All DCs )
Postion #421 allinanchor: #102 --11/28/2005 [2 DCs #398, 10 DCs #421, 4 DCs #443, 6 DCs #444, 4 DCs #450, 4 DCs #463, 3 DCs #467]**(Allinanchor #100 on 10 DCs, #102 on 21 DCs, #116 on 2 DCs )
Postion #n/f allinanchor: #119 --11/29/2005 [4 DCs #402, 3 DCs #409, 4 DCs #411, 10 DCs #436, 12 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #118 on 12 DCs, #119 on 21 DCs )

Postion n/f allinanchor: #119 -11/30/2005 [6 DCs #397, 10 DCs #399, 3 DCs #424, 14 DCs #n/f]** (Note: Allinanchor #118 on 10 DCs, #119 on 21 DCs, #120 on 2 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/24/2005
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 11/26/2005
100 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2280 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
145 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
3461 - 11/28/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #n/a

 

Postion n/f allinanchor: #119 -11/30/2005
6 DCs #397,
10 DCs #399,
3 DCs #424,
14 DCs #n/f

Allinanchor
#118 on 10 DCs,
#119 on 21 DCs,
#120 on 2 DCs

Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT

The page is back on some Datacenters but
at this point, the results for this page just seem random!

 

This is the first time I've tried sitemaps. So far, it's just been sitting there for a while without the sitemap even being retrieved yet. I'm just trying to do something to get back into the index...

The site of mine that dropped out of the cache over a week ago now has been online since 1999-- not exactly a new site... Thousands of pages crawled, thousands of incoming links, etc... Google's got problems for sure...


--
Derek

 

Neg rep on my clarification per McDar's request? Thanks a lot. Someone big, too-- dropped my rep by 12 points...


--
Derek

 

Does anyone else find these results to be curious...



is Yahoo really all that independent or do they still get data from Google?

PS - MSN results are still at position #5

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )
Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 --11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]**(Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #482 allinanchor: #105 --11/24/2005 [10 DCs #430, 2 DCs #462, 4 DCs #464, 7 DCs #480, 10 DCs #482]**(Allinanchor #104 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #485 allinanchor: #108 --11/25/2005 [10 DCs #425, 2 DCs #481, 10 DCs #485, 4 DCs #488, 7 DCs #492]**(Allinanchor #108 on All DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #107 --11/26/2005 [2 DCs #392, 7 DCs #402, 10 DCs #425, 10 DCs #426, 4 DCs #472]**(Allinanchor #107 on 26 DCs, #108 on 6 DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #100 --11/27/2005 [4 DCs #421, 10 DCs #425, 6 DCs #437, 10 DCs #463, 3 DCs #485]**(Allinanchor #100 on All DCs )
Postion #421 allinanchor: #102 --11/28/2005 [2 DCs #398, 10 DCs #421, 4 DCs #443, 6 DCs #444, 4 DCs #450, 4 DCs #463, 3 DCs #467]**(Allinanchor #100 on 10 DCs, #102 on 21 DCs, #116 on 2 DCs )
Postion #n/f allinanchor: #119 --11/29/2005 [4 DCs #402, 3 DCs #409, 4 DCs #411, 10 DCs #436, 12 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #118 on 12 DCs, #119 on 21 DCs )
Postion #n/f allinanchor: #119 --11/30/2005 [6 DCs #397, 10 DCs #399, 3 DCs #424, 14 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #118 on 10 DCs, #119 on 21 DCs, #120 on 2 DCs )

Postion #415 allinanchor: #119 -12/01/2005 [10 DCs #395, 6 DCs #402, 4 DCs #422, 10 DCs #415, 3 DCs #n/f]** (Note: Allinanchor #119 on All DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/24/2005
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 11/26/2005
100 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2280 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
145 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
3461 - 11/28/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #n/a

 

hhhhmmmm. . . Very interesting.

I've heard a few conspiracy theories about G & Y working together on other forums but I've always written the people off as quacks.

I guess it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you?

 

Wow! That's very interesting. I can't seem to get listed in any SERPs but MSN these days. I've never tried to figure out what Yahoo was doing, but that is an amazing parallel between the two sets of results.

 

Too right...

This (IMO) is the most interesting stat to come out of this thread in a while (From my point of view anyway).

 

That would be highly amusing if yahoo used google's engine now.

 

Do you have other examples of G vs. Y? SEBasic, PM me again if they do, please.

 

Hi Rusty,

No, I do not have any other examples.

BUT others just might.

I have had a theory that Google had "lost/dropped" some sort of (what I have been referring to as) "pre-score" data regarding this experiment page.

In turn - this page has been positioned in the serps more like a "sandboxed" page.

IF - Google has such information - it certainly would be a valuable resource that could be ranked by a different algorithim (i.e. Yahoo).

The unique factor about this particular page is that Google dropped it entirely from the results over the last couple of days. It has returned now but ranks very poorly.

If you can locate others who have experienced a similar fate AND they track the keywords for both Google and Yahoo, daily, on the the Keyword Tracker - have them LOOK!

If they are not looking for it - they most likely will never realize.

I caught it just by accident.

Caryl

PS - I would like to add here that I just searched Yahoo and INDEED the page went from position #1 to NOT FOUND at all in Yahoo for the search for that term. Totally gone...

 

I do not rank for any terms on yahoo for my main site, yet I have thousands of top 3 on google for the same site. I asked yahoo for a reinclusion request months ago, but nada.