McDar Experiment

McDar has done a tool that looks at Google and Yahoo simultaneously. Here's the link http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/QuickCheck.asp

 

well what do you know, guess that is what I get for always following links to his site rather than exploring the thing.

 

Hulk say good comments/analysis by Puny Human Rational
Hulk look at normal and sandbox SERP results for "stable" sites.
Hulk notice they seem pretty similar.
Hulk like the "predict future" idea ... IF all else equal/stable.

Hulk also say John Scott (JS) at IMR one smart Puny Human!

 

I will most eagerly read this thread every morning to see what we learn as they days pass by!

I have done a few tests today as well, and it is a striking similarity between the allinanchor SERP and the filtered SERP. This might be due to the fact that we are looking at some rather competitive search terms though...

When doing the test on some less competitive search terms (400.000 results in the normal/filtered SERP and 10.000 for allinachor) the similarity of the SERP for allinanchor and the unfiltered SERP is reduced to a much lower level.

I think, however, that this is a good thing for the experiment/analysis, as it sort of confirms Google's emphasis on links for competitive search terms.

Something else one could look at in an attempt to verify the validity of John's theory, is whether the normal SERP is more aligned or less aligned with the allinanchor SERP than the unfiltered SERP. If the unfiltered SERP generally is more aligned, then that would be an argument in favor of John's theory.

Why is this an argument in favor of John's theory? I here assume that Google quickly is factoring in the on-page elements in the normal filtered results (but not the links), and that the links are quickly factored into the allinanchor results, so if both links and on-page elements are quickly factored into the unfiltered results this SERP should be more aligned with the allinanchor SERP than the filtered SERP.

In other words, new links should quickly result in a change of the allinanchor SERP and the unfiltered SERP, while the normal/filtered SERP would lag behind, so to speak.

Anyway, after these speculations, I'd like to mention something about John's Bluefind which I checked while writing this. The quote from John was made April 25th; at that point Bluefind was #213 +/- in the normal/filtered SERP and in #13 in the unfiltered SERP. I have no idea where it was in the allinanchor SERP for "web directory", as he didn't say anything about that.

When I checked this now, Bluefind is #16 in the unfiltered SERP, #20 in the filtered SERP and #29 in the allinanchor SERP.

It is too bad we lack the information from the days in between, but the position in the normal/filtered SERP is now very close to the one in the unfiltered SERP. The strange thing is the discrepancy between the unfiltered SERP and the allinanchor... This is a very competitive search term, so I would have thought that they would be more aligned.

It might be due to what was mentioned here earlier... maybe the allinanchor results are fetched from another index, and that this index isn't completely up to date right now... (John has been acquiring a huge number of links since launching the web directory; according to Yahoo he has 571.000 backlinks... and 17.400 according to Google...) ...or it could be something else... any ideas?

If his own theory is right, this is one tough SERP, as he'll need even more backlinks to move further up.

 

Hehe...

Rational think Hulk funny, green and observant. Stable sites very interesting, and make good argument for theory.

 

Hi guys - thought you had lost me?

Tough - No

I've been away doing some manual work cleaning up a garden for the BBQ

Which brings me to my parallel-ish experiment.

Remember I said that I had that bet on for champagne involving weber bbqs well what I did was to use my normal on page techniques and then blast it with forum sigs as well as others.

Remember the site is almost non existant [18 pages] is about sausages - it ....well you can see!

Now DP got to two + in quick time as did the other to 4+5 ish and the world [all two searchs a day]must have thought that this forum was about selling BBQs - especially when you look at Hulks site signature, and I predicted that they would do so because of their size, authority if you like, and that my little page would eventually get there but would have to be patient.

My reasoning was based on two factors

1. Size is important - with a continuing proportional growth rate. This gives the authority and continous refreshing of the site that G likes.

2. It is not logical for a site to have 1000s of relevant links at a start up unless 1. applies - this is not "sandboxing" by G but I would guess that they would test 1. against 2. over a period which I suppose is a variant of Sandboxing. So I add pages every now and then that are relevant with the link from here going to that page, as above.

So what has happened

Well I started nowhere, of course, and quickly came down to 30 ish and then down to 18 and now it has drifted to 35 - I think because I have not added new content for a couple of weeks.

But I did start a thread Weber BBQs when I introduced the last new page and it got to the premier position for DP.

I did keep a check on its position for allinurl etc and also for the the "sandbox" theory by the same method as rational put forward [sorry guys didn't think to say so - well done rational , welcome to the forum] and, [for the sake of a direct comparison the same search add ons to McDar] I have the search phrase here

weber bbqs -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa

with the results showing the second page in the No1 position - showing the importance of allinurl and the index page in the no2 with DP in 3rd showing the importance of "Title" and 4 showing the "content" element.

Now there is only one other "thing" that I do that is different and that is anchor linking from my own third party eg site one anchors to a relevant site 2 which anchors to relevant site 3 which anchors back to site one and site 2 and 3 have an increasing authority which I believe that will eventually detemine the No1 position and I was going to suggest that we "do" this tactic when we got closer.

 

I also meant to add that in a similar play around with a well established site that got knocked at Austin but that has 200 odd pages, that sat at number 1 for years before for "ski france", I recently changed [end of season experiment] its first text to H2 from H1 and it dropped 10 positions with immediate effect from 8 to 18 -23 so I changed it back and - on Mcdars datacentres it is back to 10. It is 4+5 for all in anchor. I also dropped it out of my signature here - and I haven't put it back yet.

But if you do a

ski france -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa

you will find us at Number 4.

ski france

which does query the "sandbox" theory a tad!

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
Position#n/a allinanchor:#n/a - 04/08/2004
position#104 allinanchor#32 - 04/09/2004
Postion#232 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/11/2004
Postion#193 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/12/2004
Postion#136 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/13/2004
Postion#133 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/14/2004
Postion#108 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/15/2004
Postion#104 allinanchor:#30 - 04/16/2004
Postion#92 allinanchor:#32 - 04/17/2004
Postion#29 allinanchor:#13 - 04/18/2004 [11 datacenters #30, 4 datacenters #27, 2 datacenters #22]
Postion#28 allinanchor:#13 - 04/19/2004 [ 5 datacenters #27, 2 datacenters #22]
Postion#29 allinanchor:#15 - 04/20/2004 [16 datacenters #25, 6 datacenters #27]
Postion#25 allinanchor:#7 - 04/21/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion#18 allinanchor: #7 - 04/22/2004 [10 datacenters #19]
Postion #19 allinanchor: #7 - 04/23/2004 [7 datacenters #21]
Postion #19 allinanchor: #7 - 04/24/2004 [7 datacenters #21]
Postion #17 allinanchor: #6 - 04/25/2004 [7 datacenters #20]
Postion #17 allinanchor: #6 - 04/26/2004 [7 datacenters #20]
Postion #19 allinanchor: #7- 04/27/2004 [18 datacenters #16]
Postion #21 allinanchor: #8 - 04/28/2004 [All datacenters] Note: Allinanchor #7 on 5 DCs & #9 on 7 DCs
Postion #21 allinanchor: #7 - 04/29/2004 [9 datacenters #23] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 16 DCs
Postion #21 allinanchor: #7 - 04/30/2004 [7 datacenters #23, 13 datacenters #24] Note: Allinanchor #8 on 14 DCs
Postion #16 allinanchor: #7 - 05/01/2004 [10 datacenters #17] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 15 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/02/2004 [13 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #7 on 15 DCs
Postion #21 allinanchor: #8 - 05/03/2004 [20 datacenters #22]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/04/2004 [All datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 15 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/05/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/06/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/07/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/08/2004 [2 datacenters #15]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 2 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/09/2004 [2 datacenters #16]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 2 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/10/2004 [5 datacenters #16]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 4 DCs
Postion #17 allinanchor: #7 - 05/11/2004 [13 datacenters #15]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 13 DCs
Postion #17 allinanchor: #7 - 05/12/2004 [21 datacenters #15]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 20 DCs
Postion #17 allinanchor: #5 - 05/13/2004 [24 datacenters #14]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 28 DCs
Postion #15 allinanchor: #6 - 05/14/2004 [28 datacenters #19]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 28 DCs
Postion #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 05/16/2004 [11 datacenters #31] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs


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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
19 - 4/13/2004
24 - 4/14/2004
40 - 4/15/2004 (most datacenters report 40 but some as low as 31)
37 - 4/16/2004 (7 datacenters report 36, 7 report 42, the rest - 37)
37 - 4/17/2004 (8 datacenters report 36, the rest - 37)
38 - 4/18/2004 (10 datacenters report 37, 16 report 32, the rest - 37)
48 - 4/19/2004 (7 datacenters report 47, the rest - 48)
50 - 4/20/2004 (9 datacenters report 49, the rest - 50)
50 - 4/21/2004 (7 datacenters report 49, the rest - 50)
51 - 4/22/2004 (12 datacenters report 48, 5 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/23/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/24/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/25/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/26/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
50 - 4/27/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 4/28/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 4/29/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 4/30/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 5/01/2004 (All datacenters )
52 - 5/02/2004 (All datacenters )
54 - 5/03/2004 (All datacenters )
54 - 5/04/2004 (All datacenters )
55 - 5/05/2004 (All datacenters )
54 - 5/06/2004 (All datacenters )
Unchanged from previous date
54 - 5/10/2004 (17 datacenters report 55)
55 - 5/11/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
54 - 5/16/2004 (All datacenters)
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/19/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/20/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/21/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/22/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/23/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/24/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/25/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/26/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/27/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/28/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/29/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/30/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 5/01/2004 (all datacenters) *page changed link now #37 on page
Reported by Google 5/02/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 5/03/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 5/04/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
1 - 4/21/2004
1 - 4/22/2004
1 - 4/23/2004
1 - 4/24/2004
1 - 4/25/2004
1 - 4/26/2004
2 - 4/27/2004
2 - 4/28/2004
2 - 4/29/2004
2 - 4/30/2004
2 - 5/01/2004
3 - 5/02/2004
3 - 5/03/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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# of Links from my posts to this thead
69 4/17/2004 [Edited to remove 20 posts in this thread that did not have link]
75 - 4/18/2004
90 - 4/19/2004
93 - 4/20/2004
97 - 4/21/2004
104 - 4/22/2004
111 - 4/23/2004
117 - 4/24/2004
121 - 4/25/2004
127 - 4/26/2004
129 - 4/27/2004
132 - 4/28/2004
133 - 4/29/2004
137 - 4/30/2004
152 - 5/01/2004
154 - 5/02/2004
158 - 5/03/2004
161 - 5/04/2004
163 - 5/05/2004
173 - 5/06/2004
178 - 5/07/2004
179 - 5/08/2004
180 - 5/09/2004
184 - 5/10/2004
185 - 5/11/2004
189 - 5/12/2004
194 - 5/13/2004
195 - 5/14/2004
198 - 5/15/2004
204 - 5/16/2004
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
217 - 5/06/2004
241 - 5/07/2004
246 - 5/08/2004
901 - 5/09/2004 ( Looks like the sig links were picked up )
908 - 5/10/2004 ( 18 Datacenters report 1660)
1670 - 5/11/2004
1990 - 5/12/2004
2290 - 5/13/2004
2670 - 5/14/2004 ( 4 Datacenters report 2960)
2950 - 5/15/2004
3100 - 5/16/2004
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
9 - 5/11/2004
10 - 5/12/2004
13 - 5/13/2004
16 - 5/14/2004 ( 4 Datacenters report 110)
108 - 5/15/2004[/B]
108 - 5/16/2004
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date

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Caryl's Links [links posted 04/07/2004]
2 PR6s & 5 PR5's
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PR/Backlink info

sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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I personally don't see anything significant in this backward movement. I'm tracking another two or three sites with keyword ranking in the 20s to 40s range and they will move backwards and forward 10 to 15 places on any given day.

I don't understand what causes this instability in Google's results, but my experience is that it is pretty standard. In fact I've been some what amazed at how consistent the sleeping bags results have been. I mentioned to Caryl just the other day that we should be prepared for a set back.

What I'm trying to say is that I think that we have learned a lot from this experiment. I hope everyone won't run off with a lot of wild speculatiom due to this one set back in results and un do everything we have learned.

 

I tend to agree in fact this "mexican wave" as I term it I have noticed for some time and seems to precede an update which, as we know is due.

Equally I would be surprised if anybody took a conclusion otherwise as the ramblings above by me support the same.

 

I read the thread but I think confused

The term I am following the most I am #9 (in uk) when I do the -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa I am #1

The guy at #1 in standard serps moves to #11

What does it all mean ?

Are there some links coming on board that'll mean I'll be #1 soon - hope so

 

Leeds1,

I'm not sure why you are confused. It seems to me the theory has been discussed very thoroughly. The suggestion is that Google doesn't give new links their full value for some probationary time period. There may be all kinds of reasons for this.

The suggestion is that if you search using all the '-nonesense' terms in the search term you can defeat this filter or link damping effect. The results of this search then are assumed to be where your page would rank in the SERPs if all your links were given full value today.

So to answer you specific question, if this theory is correct then it looks like your site will be moving up. And it would seem to suggest that the site that is #1 today, must not have any new links coming on line and so he is going to get surpassed by several sites.

 

Thanks Bob

Great clarity - let's hope this is the case - I'll let you all know.

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
Position#n/a allinanchor:#n/a - 04/08/2004
position#104 allinanchor#32 - 04/09/2004
Postion#232 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/11/2004
Postion#193 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/12/2004
Postion#136 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/13/2004
Postion#133 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/14/2004
Postion#108 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/15/2004
Postion#104 allinanchor:#30 - 04/16/2004
Postion#92 allinanchor:#32 - 04/17/2004
Postion#29 allinanchor:#13 - 04/18/2004 [11 datacenters #30, 4 datacenters #27, 2 datacenters #22]
Postion#28 allinanchor:#13 - 04/19/2004 [ 5 datacenters #27, 2 datacenters #22]
Postion#29 allinanchor:#15 - 04/20/2004 [16 datacenters #25, 6 datacenters #27]
Postion#25 allinanchor:#7 - 04/21/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion#18 allinanchor: #7 - 04/22/2004 [10 datacenters #19]
Postion #19 allinanchor: #7 - 04/23/2004 [7 datacenters #21]
Postion #19 allinanchor: #7 - 04/24/2004 [7 datacenters #21]
Postion #17 allinanchor: #6 - 04/25/2004 [7 datacenters #20]
Postion #17 allinanchor: #6 - 04/26/2004 [7 datacenters #20]
Postion #19 allinanchor: #7- 04/27/2004 [18 datacenters #16]
Postion #21 allinanchor: #8 - 04/28/2004 [All datacenters] Note: Allinanchor #7 on 5 DCs & #9 on 7 DCs
Postion #21 allinanchor: #7 - 04/29/2004 [9 datacenters #23] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 16 DCs
Postion #21 allinanchor: #7 - 04/30/2004 [7 datacenters #23, 13 datacenters #24] Note: Allinanchor #8 on 14 DCs
Postion #16 allinanchor: #7 - 05/01/2004 [10 datacenters #17] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 15 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/02/2004 [13 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #7 on 15 DCs
Postion #21 allinanchor: #8 - 05/03/2004 [20 datacenters #22]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/04/2004 [All datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 15 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/05/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/06/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/07/2004 [All datacenters]
Postion #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/08/2004 [2 datacenters #15]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 2 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/09/2004 [2 datacenters #16]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 2 DCs
Postion #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/10/2004 [5 datacenters #16]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 4 DCs
Postion #17 allinanchor: #7 - 05/11/2004 [13 datacenters #15]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 13 DCs
Postion #17 allinanchor: #7 - 05/12/2004 [21 datacenters #15]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 20 DCs
Postion #17 allinanchor: #5 - 05/13/2004 [24 datacenters #14]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 28 DCs
Postion #15 allinanchor: #6 - 05/14/2004 [28 datacenters #19]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 28 DCs
Postion #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 05/16/2004 [11 datacenters #31]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 05/17/2004 [5 datacenters #33] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 6 DCs


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
19 - 4/13/2004
24 - 4/14/2004
40 - 4/15/2004 (most datacenters report 40 but some as low as 31)
37 - 4/16/2004 (7 datacenters report 36, 7 report 42, the rest - 37)
37 - 4/17/2004 (8 datacenters report 36, the rest - 37)
38 - 4/18/2004 (10 datacenters report 37, 16 report 32, the rest - 37)
48 - 4/19/2004 (7 datacenters report 47, the rest - 48)
50 - 4/20/2004 (9 datacenters report 49, the rest - 50)
50 - 4/21/2004 (7 datacenters report 49, the rest - 50)
51 - 4/22/2004 (12 datacenters report 48, 5 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/23/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/24/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/25/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
51 - 4/26/2004 (7 datacenters report 50, the rest - 51)
50 - 4/27/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 4/28/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 4/29/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 4/30/2004 (All datacenters )
50 - 5/01/2004 (All datacenters )
52 - 5/02/2004 (All datacenters )
54 - 5/03/2004 (All datacenters )
54 - 5/04/2004 (All datacenters )
55 - 5/05/2004 (All datacenters )
54 - 5/06/2004 (All datacenters )
Unchanged from previous date
54 - 5/10/2004 (17 datacenters report 55)
55 - 5/11/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
54 - 5/16/2004 (All datacenters)
53 - 5/17/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/19/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/20/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/21/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/22/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/23/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/24/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/25/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/26/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/27/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/28/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/29/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 4/30/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 5/01/2004 (all datacenters) *page changed link now #37 on page
Reported by Google 5/02/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 5/03/2004 (all datacenters)
Reported by Google 5/04/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
1 - 4/21/2004
1 - 4/22/2004
1 - 4/23/2004
1 - 4/24/2004
1 - 4/25/2004
1 - 4/26/2004
2 - 4/27/2004
2 - 4/28/2004
2 - 4/29/2004
2 - 4/30/2004
2 - 5/01/2004
3 - 5/02/2004
3 - 5/03/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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# of Links from my posts to this thead
69 4/17/2004 [Edited to remove 20 posts in this thread that did not have link]
75 - 4/18/2004
90 - 4/19/2004
93 - 4/20/2004
97 - 4/21/2004
104 - 4/22/2004
111 - 4/23/2004
117 - 4/24/2004
121 - 4/25/2004
127 - 4/26/2004
129 - 4/27/2004
132 - 4/28/2004
133 - 4/29/2004
137 - 4/30/2004
152 - 5/01/2004
154 - 5/02/2004
158 - 5/03/2004
161 - 5/04/2004
163 - 5/05/2004
173 - 5/06/2004
178 - 5/07/2004
179 - 5/08/2004
180 - 5/09/2004
184 - 5/10/2004
185 - 5/11/2004
189 - 5/12/2004
194 - 5/13/2004
195 - 5/14/2004
198 - 5/15/2004
204 - 5/16/2004
205 - 5/17/2004
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
217 - 5/06/2004
241 - 5/07/2004
246 - 5/08/2004
901 - 5/09/2004 ( Looks like the sig links were picked up )
908 - 5/10/2004 ( 18 Datacenters report 1660)
1670 - 5/11/2004
1990 - 5/12/2004
2290 - 5/13/2004
2670 - 5/14/2004 ( 4 Datacenters report 2960)
2950 - 5/15/2004
3100 - 5/16/2004
3350 - 5/17/2004
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
9 - 5/11/2004
10 - 5/12/2004
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date

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Caryl's Links [links posted 04/07/2004]
2 PR6s & 5 PR5's
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PR/Backlink info

sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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I think that it is time [maybe wait for the "update"] to whack in some on page SEO eg H1 "sleeping bags" as first text

What do you think Bob, Caryl?

 

I've always thought the page could benefit from a couple of paragraphs about why this is the greatest place in the world to be buy sleeping bags. And of course this section should have a few headings using h1 and h2.

If we do this now it will distort the experiment. Untill we are really satisfied that we have driven it as far as we can with linking I don't think we should do anything.

The interesting question in all the sandbox discussion is nobody has speculated how long links get left in the sandbox. But if the '-das' search means anything it seems to indicate that this page will move to #3 based on the strength of what we have done. I'd like to leave it totally alone and see if this happens and over what time period.

 

The PR7 www.komar.org link has now been up for a month as I promised I would do on page 15 of this thread - I added at 0645 MDT on April 16th, 2004 and it was spider'ed by Google that night.

However, I am willing to leave this up through the next Back Link update ... and will let folks know when it is pulled ... so that's one change that is coming - unknown if it will made any type of significant short-term disruption.

alek

 

Alek,

I think it would be good if you could leave it up until the next upgrade, just so that we can see exactly how Google is showing it and using it. It may have been instrumental in driving the sleeping bags page to a higher PR. If that is the case we should see the result when you take it down. If you take it down now we will learn nothing.

So if you can hang in that will be good.

I sure wish Google would get on some regular PR/backlink reporting upgrade schedule.

 

My wording may not have been entirely clear, but YES, I WILL leave it in until the next BL/PR update.

alek