McDar Experiment

I think it might be interesting to do both of these sites simultaneously. If one search is more competitve than the other, we might be able to witness the sandbox...

It certainly bears discussing the pros and cons here.

Caryl

 

Attached is a "snapshot" of today's results from the Keyword Analysis Tool.

KeywordTool6_1.html

I have added a column to indicate Category. I have maintained all along that Manufacturers have an edge over Retail and the evidence in the results seems to support this.

I have also felt the site size plays an important role and will give an advantage to the represented page.

You will notice that we have surpassed all but one retail site, in the top tent, in Backlinks AND our allinachor ranking clearly indicates we should be on the first page, BUT WE ARE NOT.

If you look at the other Retail sites in the top ten, you will see that they have the McDar site beat Big Time is site size!

What would be interesting would be if I could find a way to add a considerable amount of pages to the site (no additional links or changes to the experimental page)and see if the addition of those pages helps the experimental page to advance in the serps.

I attempted to do this with the addition of some Amazon affiliate links via a PHP script datafeed. Google has found the Amazon main links but is not following the links on those pages to the individual product pages.

Any other ideas on how I could quickly add a ton of pages?

Caryl

 

Yes, I see the http://www.komar.org/ backlink (I'm still a PR7 - yea!) ... so glad it showed up and hopefully it was helpful.

As discussed, I offerred to leave it in for a month if folks took a look at the using your Google Toolbar for a good cause page ... but I left it in for 2 extra weeks until the PR/BL update.

I'll be removing it tomorrow (Wednesday) ... and Googlebot typically crawls my main page daily in the late evening, so after that, it will be gone ... so you can see if any differences.

alek

P.S. BTW, the powder2glass team is now in the top-20 overall for Google Compute (but the competition is getting tougher) - take a look at the above URL and consider signing up to help find cures for diseases! ;-)

 

Anybody taking bets?

I'll bet that the removal of Alek's link has no discernible impact. I have a theory that Google is not as quick removing link pop as it is adding it. The link should disappear on the next upgrade, but I don't think we will see either a movement in SERP position or a change in PR as a result of Alek taking it off his site.

 

I have actually put up my index page and I was going to go for SEO [as I don't do Other Peoples SEO] as I thought it could be interesting. But I am happy for the site to be taken any which way. Just advise.

BTW the site was crawled on Day 1 May31 by Google, MSN and The World Wide Web Worm and again yesterday by Google.

Go and search on "zplus2"....

 

Caryl & Foxy,

If we do this next project or experiment -- Z+2's page and mine -- should we start a new thread?

I now have a designer working on my site so we should start to see some real content over the next few days.

I just checked and the site has been crawled by various Google bots since it has be up. It has also been visited by Yahoo! Slurp and by Ask Jeeves/Teoma.

As I said I have already put up approx. 60 links from my InfoPool and a few links from some other sites on my server. I also made a deal with a webmaster who to put up about 2,000 links from a British forum archive.

What do you think we should do with this site and Foxy's. I still think links are the way to go, but what other techinques would you like to see tried.

 

Well usually decide what you are trying to test for then design an experiment to test for this.

I think linking is something that can be (somewhat) quantified where as any on-page factors cannot. So, we should stick to testing about linking.

I would really like to see some kind of experiment where two sites of different sizes go head to head, basically, for the same keyword. All linking the same for both sites.

Also, can there be a way to measure for sandbox effect?

 

I posted this yesterday and nobody responded so, I will re-post it today.

Here is a look at yesterday's Keyword Analysis Tool results for sleeping bags...

KeywordTool6_1.html

We have beaten all but one in the top ten with backlinks and are #5 for allinanchor.

If you identify retail and manufacturers, I believe the results do indicate that Category and site size really play important roles in the serps.

Category cannot be changed but how many additional links does it take to make up for lacking in site size?

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #27 allinanchor: #3 - 05/22/2004 [1 DCs #25, 7 DCs #26] **31 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #26 allinanchor: #4 - 05/24/2004 [1 DCs #24, 10 DCs #25] Note: Allinanchor #3 on 3 DCs & #5 on 7 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 05/25/2004 [3 DCs #26, 6 DCs #27] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 05/26/2004 [7 DCs #26, 8 DCs #27, 5 DCs #29] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 3 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #4 - 05/27/2004 [7 DCs #27, 8 DCs #28] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #23 allinanchor: #4 - 05/28/2004 [3 DCs #22, 8 DCs #24] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/29/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/30/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/31/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/1/2004 [1 DC #27, 7 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/2/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3620 - 5/21/2004
3650 - 5/22/2004
3640 - 5/24/2004
3500 - 5/25/2004
3470 - 5/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

298 - 5/21/2004
318 - 5/22/2004
435 - 5/24/2004
490 - 5/25/2004
467 - 5/26/2004
461 - 5/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#3 - on 17 DCs and #2 on 14 DCs 05/24/2004
#2 - on 16 DCs and #3 on 15 DCs 05/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/28/2004 (later in day #17)
#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004

__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

 

OK guys - I just pulled the link at 0720 MDT ... googlebot has spidered the main http://www.komar.org/ page at 2111, 2109, and 2111 MDT the last three days respectively (almost like clockwork, eh?!? ;-) ... so assuming tonight's crawl happens at the same time, this change will be "seen" by Google tonight.

Yea, be interesting to see what affect, if any, this causes. I believe it is the highest Page Rank link to the sleeping bags page (?)

alek

P.S. Thanx again for your support of team powder2glass's Google Compute team

 

I had a good look at the chart yesterday. There just didn't appear to be much to add to what you had already said.

I agree that Google must be applying some extra relevance to the manufacture's sites. I don't think it is wrong for them to do that. I'd just like to know how they do it via an algorithm. It has always been considered that Google's SERP placements are untouched by human hand. If so, how did those manufacturer's get where they are in the rankings?????

Now I have never completey shared your opinion about the impact of the size of a site on the relevance or placement of its pages. But if you do believe this is a factor why doesn't your site rank ahead of the sites in 7th and 9th place? I would guess the sandbox effect is the only reasonable explanation.

On other threads in this forum there are several debates going about the value of link from topically relevant pages and about multiple links from a single domain. Our experimental page has virtually no backlinks from topically related pages and all it links are from only a very few domains.

So if you discount the sandbox effect it would be interesting to research the pages in 7th and 9th place to find out the source of their backlinks. Are they from topically related pages? Are they from a large diversity of domains?

Or even if you don't want to discount the sandbox effect.How long have their links been in place? I don't know how you can ascertain this, but it is the question that needs to be asked.

 

Bob,

The manufacturers are in a different category in the Google Directory. The category is higher on the "food chain", if you will. I would think that recognizing manufacturers as more of an authority than retailers would be an easy assumption.

Sites in positions 7 and 9 are manufacturers and that is the edge I believe they have. There site size and number of links just do not seem to justify their position otherwise.

I find the site in position #10 the most interesting...

**us: sz=257 BL=170 Allinachor=5 Retail
them: sz=899 BL=49 Allinanchor=31 Retail

We are in the same Category AND have them beat BIG TIME in Backlinks and Allinanchor. BUT, they have us beat in site size!
Note: ALL of their 49 reported backlinks are internal backlinks from within the site.

 

I'm not sure how it can measured, but I'm personally curious how Google treats links from pages titled "links.html" or "links.htm" or "links.shtml". Also if there's any effect of the anchor text to that "links" page - does Google care if the page uses anchor text of "Link" or something like "additional resources"?

I ask because I'm having a very tough time finding referrence in Google backlinks for sites linked to my site from pages named "links" or "link" with anchor text containing "Links". I've checked a few other sites and likewise cannot find backlinks from pages with those titles - even though I know they exist.

For my own head, I searched Google for "links.html" - found a PR9 page titled "links.html" ( http://travel.state.gov/links.html ) - and I checked the backlinks of some of the sites that page linked to - couldn't even find that PR9 page listed among those sites backlinks. Now that's scary!

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 05/25/2004 [3 DCs #26, 6 DCs #27] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 05/26/2004 [7 DCs #26, 8 DCs #27, 5 DCs #29] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 3 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #4 - 05/27/2004 [7 DCs #27, 8 DCs #28] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #23 allinanchor: #4 - 05/28/2004 [3 DCs #22, 8 DCs #24] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/29/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/30/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/31/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/1/2004 [1 DC #27, 7 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/2/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/3/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3620 - 5/21/2004
3650 - 5/22/2004
3640 - 5/24/2004
3500 - 5/25/2004
3470 - 5/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

298 - 5/21/2004
318 - 5/22/2004
435 - 5/24/2004
490 - 5/25/2004
467 - 5/26/2004
461 - 5/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#3 - on 17 DCs and #2 on 14 DCs 05/24/2004
#2 - on 16 DCs and #3 on 15 DCs 05/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/28/2004 (later in day #17)
#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004

__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

 

I think this sounds good to me perhaps bringing in rationals thoughts from before

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=6335&postcount=518
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=6335&postcount=519

 

To have a true experiment, you need to limit as many variables as possible. The more variables you have, the less real evidence you have.

To run an experiment between two sites, targeting the same keywords, you would need to start them approximately the same time. The control would be that they had exactly the same links pointing to them. The variables would be on-page optimization, host location, and Site size. The site size would be a main focus of the experiment.

We would predict that IF a sandbox effect was to occur, it would appear in the same time frame (both within a few days) and the results (loss of position) to be approximately the same.

Since the links would totally be controlled for, there could be no question of greater value, theming, etc.

Make any sense?

Caryl

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 05/26/2004 [7 DCs #26, 8 DCs #27, 5 DCs #29] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 3 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #4 - 05/27/2004 [7 DCs #27, 8 DCs #28] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #23 allinanchor: #4 - 05/28/2004 [3 DCs #22, 8 DCs #24] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/29/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/30/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/31/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/01/2004 [1 DC #27, 7 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/02/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/03/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/04/2004 [ 2 DCs #19, 6 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3620 - 5/21/2004
3650 - 5/22/2004
3640 - 5/24/2004
3500 - 5/25/2004
3470 - 5/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

298 - 5/21/2004
318 - 5/22/2004
435 - 5/24/2004
490 - 5/25/2004
467 - 5/26/2004
461 - 5/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#3 - on 17 DCs and #2 on 14 DCs 05/24/2004
#2 - on 16 DCs and #3 on 15 DCs 05/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/28/2004 (later in day #17)
#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #29 allinanchor: #4 - 05/27/2004 [7 DCs #27, 8 DCs #28] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #23 allinanchor: #4 - 05/28/2004 [3 DCs #22, 8 DCs #24] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/29/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/30/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/31/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/01/2004 [1 DC #27, 7 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/02/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/03/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/04/2004 [ 2 DCs #19, 6 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #5 - 06/05/2004 [ 5 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3620 - 5/21/2004
3650 - 5/22/2004
3640 - 5/24/2004
3500 - 5/25/2004
3470 - 5/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3740 - 6/5/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

298 - 5/21/2004
318 - 5/22/2004
435 - 5/24/2004
490 - 5/25/2004
467 - 5/26/2004
461 - 5/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
457 - 6/5/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#3 - on 17 DCs and #2 on 14 DCs 05/24/2004
#2 - on 16 DCs and #3 on 15 DCs 05/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/28/2004 (later in day #17)
#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

 

Absolutely - The only thing that I would need to do is change or establish the theme of the pages that would be necessary and for us to determine a time frame.

 

There are a lot of interesting experiments on the verge of taking off here now! Let me know if I can help out with some linking etc.

Here is something I've been thinking about lately:

Anchor text broad matching (similar to the standard matching used in AdWords). I think this is why the allinanchor doesn't give a correct view of where a site should be placed in the serp for a given search term. It may be that Google puts more weight on anchor text that doesn't entirely match the search term than we have thought.

Examples:
Bob is aiming for "online poker rooms". In a while he'll rank high in allinanchor for this term as he starts to accumulate links with this anchor text. But wouldn't links with "online poker" or "poker rooms" also indicate a certain relevance for the search?

Sites with "online poker" and "poker rooms" will, however, not show up at all in the allinanchor for "online poker rooms".

Add to this stemming. "online poker room" [singular] should also be relevant for a search for "online poker rooms", sites with this as anchor text will not show up in the allinanchor for "online poker rooms" either. A real world example would be one of my sites. I don't rank at all in allinanchor for this stemmed search term, but am #11 in the regular search.

Google probably weighs this differently:
#) full match, i.e. "online poker rooms"
#) partial match, i.e. "online poker" or "poker rooms"
#) stemming: "online poker room"
#) stemming of partial matches...
#) single words: "online", "poker", "rooms"
#) stemming of single words

How much weight they assign each factor/match, is difficult to say but a full match should weigh most, maybe followed by stemming (of the full match).

Because of this, we will see allinanchor = regular serps (at least more or less) for highly competitive search terms, as everybody there has actively targetted only the search phrase as anchor text. But as you start to move down in the serps, you'll see differences.

This might explain why allinanchor not gives a very good indication of the site's total strength. We have no way of measuring stemming in anchor text (expect through the regular serps), but luckily we have a function to check partial matches: inanchor (which places the McDar page at #25). Maybe it is time to start watching/analyzing this operator to see if we can learn something new?