McDar Experiment

OK they are done

I have only linked from the index page to the sub and not through the site_map

 

Kewl

That should probably be okay to use for the experimental page, as it stands.

All we'll need to do is name it the same as Bob's experimental page.

 

Still no sign of Bob.

Perhaps he is off setting up Road Runner to his campsite...

 

Okichoki - I need to go out now but will check in later - about 2 hours - I guess Bob is out to lunch - hehe - I wonder what wine he is having today?

 

I'll be checking in later as well.

 

20.43 our time that makes a very...good lunch for Bob!

 

Haha

He must be "out and about" as they say in Canada...

 

Well I'm in now. I guess my blind spot in this experiment was that I was thinking of setting up my home page at the test page. In otherwords I want to promote the entire site -- via the home page, that is how most SEO starts at least.

But what I understand you now to be saying is that you'd like me to set up an interior page purely as a test page. That's what the "one internal link was all about". I guess that is ok. It doesn't stop me from promoting my home page (the entire site).

I guess I find it a little artifical in that I don't think anybody sets up a brand new site and immediately starts to optimize an interior page. We have talked about site size as a variable. Do you think site size is going to have any impact on an interior page that is virtually an orphan on the site -- restricted to a single internal link?

The other cost to me is I'm now going to have to put up links to the test page and I'm sure that some of these will be in lieu of links to the home page.

But ok let try this for an idea. Before I got a designer started on the page I put up this home page http://www.online-poker-rooms.nu.

Why don't we use this as the test page. I'll rename it as pokerrooms.html and put a single link to it from the home page with "original poker rooms page" for anchor text. I'll probably change the content a bit to explain that it was the original page and is now being used as a test. Other than that I'll make no changes.

So if that is ok all we have to do is coordinated the launch day and decide who is going to put up links to which pages, foxy's or mine, and what anchor text to use.

 

Bob,

It seems that we (I) have totally missed your initial idea for an experiment.

I guess the question to ask here is, what was your initial idea for an experiment?

If we used your main page to your new site, what would we do and what would we be attempting to prove?

Caryl

 

Damn! I wrote a long response to this and then I guess I didn't hit the submit button. Just trying to get caught up on too many things after being out of the office all day.

In anycase I'm on side with this now. I have modified the page that I suggest I use as the experimental page. See http://www.online-poker-rooms.nu/poker-rooms.html.

We plan to put the new design up either tonight or tomorrow, so if you guys approve this page, and Foxy can duplicate it, that all I have to do is drop a link on the new home page to it and we are in business.

What is the plan for the actual experiment? Who is going to link to whom?

 

We call it "out to lunch" which normally results in our missing quite a few buttons on the return too...!!! Ha .. just kidding ..er..sort of ! ...no seriously

I will be in around 12 GMT+1

 

It seems like I misunderstood a bit here. I thought the purpose of this was to get Bob's site to the first page of Google for the different search terms, and that we would monitor and examine the various efforts and results along the way -- thereby trying to learn as much as possible.

These were some of the aspects I thought we could study closer:

Buying inbound links, setting up reciprocal linking campaigns, adding 10000s of pages by using for example a feed from amazon, etc... is going to take a lot of effort; both time and money. My puny part in this would simply be to comment on the efforts and results together with you guys, plus giving the 6-700 links from one of my sites -- but it would be Bob who had to do the actual work here.

So, the question is, are you motivated to do all this for an internal page, Bob? I know research in itself is interesting, but combining it with the monetary reward of having your index page among the top 10 in the regular Google SERP is often necessary.

I would be equally interested in following Foxy's site to the top for its targetted search term. And I would give links to see this happen as well. That way we would have three sites where we could analyze efforts and results on a daily basis.

This is how I understood things initially; because I think it takes a lot of comittment to get to the top, and that getting on the first page of Google is the main goal. Along the way, we would, however, try to analyze and learn everything we can about all the actions/steps taken to get there.

Anyway, I have a plane to catch, but I'm with you regardless of what you decide

 

Yes Rational, that is a key question. And the answer is that I'm not willing to spend much time to get a none paying page into the top ten. So everything I will be doing will be aimed at getting the home page and as a result the whole site pushed as high as I can in the SERPs.

Now these things should have some spin-off value to the experimental page. For instance if Caryl's theory about site size is correct then the experimental page will benefit, I guess, even thought it is virtually an orphan as I suggested early.

The most difficult part of this experiment for me will be to see a large body of backlinks added to this experimental page rather than pointing at the home page. However, there will be some of these links that are only available because of the experiment and which I'd never get for the home page anyway.

So I guess what I'm really ready to do, in the name of research, is donate the page, but I will be looking to the other members of this research team to do a lot of the planning, tracking and reporting, because I'm going to be concentrating on the whole site.

 

Bob Caryl Rational - why don't we just point at the home page on both/all?

 

I am here know! Just having my first cup of java

 

I apologize if I have sidetracked this experiment. I was just trying to come up with ideas that would be measurable.

I will offer my links to the new experiment, whichever way it goes.

Caryl

 

Not at all - it should work just as well on the home pages - shouldn't it?

Whats more we can have the second pages too..

and as I have those already ready - have you looked yet Bob? - we can proceed how we want and when we want.

 

I've looked at "whos online" and it appears that Bob has left already.

I'm just gathering the info for today's update while we wait to see if he comes back.

We should also discuss what is going on with this experiment and decide what, if anything, we should do next.

Caryl

 

OK - I will be around on and off

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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Last 10 days

Postion #25 allinanchor: #4 - 05/31/2004 [All DCs not recorded] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/01/2004 [1 DC #27, 7 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/02/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/03/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/04/2004 [ 2 DCs #19, 6 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #5 - 06/05/2004 [ 5 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #24 allinanchor: #5 - 06/06/2004 [ 10 DCs #25, 2 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/07/2004 [ 1 DC #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3620 - 5/21/2004
3650 - 5/22/2004
3640 - 5/24/2004
3500 - 5/25/2004
3470 - 5/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3740 - 6/5/2004
3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

298 - 5/21/2004
318 - 5/22/2004
435 - 5/24/2004
490 - 5/25/2004
467 - 5/26/2004
461 - 5/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
457 - 6/5/2004
452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )
#3 - 05/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#3 - on 17 DCs and #2 on 14 DCs 05/24/2004
#2 - on 16 DCs and #3 on 15 DCs 05/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#2 - 05/28/2004 (later in day #17)
#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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