McDar Experiment

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
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Last 10 days

Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/02/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/03/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/04/2004 [ 2 DCs #19, 6 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #5 - 06/05/2004 [ 5 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #24 allinanchor: #5 - 06/06/2004 [ 10 DCs #25, 2 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/07/2004 [ 1 DC #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3740 - 6/5/2004
3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
457 - 6/5/2004
452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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Hello, hello .... whats happening here then? Dropping?

First thing I did was to go to my control/parallel experiment for weber bbqs - no change in normal listings [42 43 as we dropped just the other day from 30], and I have not removed my signature link here like we did with sleeping bags. But the other day I listed an advert with liquid markets - and look what has happened using the mcdar 56 datacentres on allin - number 17+18 are Liquid markets!!
26 is abacus where I changed my signature
13+14 are Seo....
2+3 are this forum as per normal

Hmmmm!!!!

 

Caryl,

You still have 'sleeping bags' in your digitalpoint sig. Do you want to drop it also?

Caryl & Foxy,

You still have 'sleeping bags' in your SEOchat sigs. Do you want to drop those?

There is no way that today's drop in SERP placement can be related to Foxy and I dropping our sig links yesterday. In fact it will be hard to tell, but I've always felt that Google picked up things like links etc., faster than they dropped them.

If I were going to speculate on a specific event responsible for today's drop it might be the loss of Alek's link finally kicking in????

 

This has been an excellent post series to follow. From all of us lurking, you guys (people) rock!

 

Thanks from the royal "we" - ha [I can say that living in England!]

Totally agree Bob, the links moved up to 4060 from 4020, but note that a few days ago my teeny control dropped also about the same number of links - I had not "done" anything to my "control". But as a guess with this one, as you, I would say it was Aleks link removal.

 

Lurkers are welcome. We trust the experiment is useful to you.

We are looking for people to put up links for the news experiment. It means putting two links with identical anchor text on each page. Here is the specific instruction from an earlier post:

One of the potential problems with the 'sleeping bags' test was that the links were from a very few sites. If we could get a broader distribution of links this time it would be useful. So all lurkers and others are welcome to volunteer.

 

And may I say again - please let us know how many, where and type [as asked above]

Thanks

 

Wouldn't surprise me - as noted a bazillion posts ago, my experience has been a BAMM dramatic upswing when I've added links (for non-competitive words), and then a slow drop after several days when I remove 'em. Googlebot visits my personal home page daily (almost like clockwork in the evening), so Google "sees" the changes fairly quickly, but seems to take a few days to digest 'em (maybe checks a few more times to make "sure" things have changed).

BTW guys, I'm not actively following this thread, so if there is something that I should chime in on, send me a PM.

alek

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/02/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/03/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/04/2004 [ 2 DCs #19, 6 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #5 - 06/05/2004 [ 5 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #24 allinanchor: #5 - 06/06/2004 [ 10 DCs #25, 2 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/07/2004 [ 1 DC #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3740 - 6/5/2004
3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
457 - 6/5/2004
452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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The only way I can think of to "control" for this is to ask Alek if he would re-insert his link to us for another 2 or 3 days then remove it again.

If he did this, I would predict a spike then drop again.

This would have to be done quickly as UNFORTUNATELY, the sig link change may also be a factor soon as well.

Caryl

 

Sorry so brief, but the fish are calling my name...

 

What about your sig link Caryl, and the SEOchat sig links? Or do you think the links that Foxy and I took off are enough to prove the point one way or another?

 

I still have my SEO.... links on at the moment - so do we want them off?

 

BTW I just used your tool on "online poker" and zplus2.com and Shawn is 626 with this thread!

 

Can you explain that statement a little more?????

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #29 allinanchor: #5 - 06/02/2004 [ 9 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #5 - 06/03/2004 [ 4 DCs #26, 4 DCs #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/04/2004 [ 2 DCs #19, 6 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #25 allinanchor: #5 - 06/05/2004 [ 5 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #24 allinanchor: #5 - 06/06/2004 [ 10 DCs #25, 2 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/07/2004 [ 1 DC #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:
56 - 5/18/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/2/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/3/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date

__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3530 - 6/1/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3590 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3740 - 6/5/2004
3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

429 - 6/1/2004
427 - 6/2/2004
435 - 6/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
457 - 6/5/2004
452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#19 - 06/1/2004
#20 - 06/2/2004
#18 - 06/3/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

 

Bob,

I tried to remove the link in my sig on Friday, however, the specs for the signatures have changed since I originally signed on.

My current sig seems to be "grandfathered". The only way to change anything in it is to change the entire signature.

I just did not have time to do that on Friday.

Foxy,

I have searched for online poker rooms and find nothing for your site or Shawn's. What exactly were you referring to?

 

http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtool.asp

and use www.zplus2.com
and "online poker'

and...b..... it didn't do it this time! but it gave this forum as position 626 the first time I tried

 

PS What do you want to do with sleeping bags and my other sigs?

 

What surprised me about this is that the term we should be seaching on is 'online poker games' is it not?
Then the other thing I don't understand is how using Caryl's tool for your domain would turn up the forum in the results????