McDar Experiment

I'm sure Anthony can explain it all with one of his conspiracy theories

 

I am still convinced that Google is busy inventing a "better (read different) mouse trap" as they are trying to break away from the patents held by Stanford.

They most likely want to be totally free from using any Stanford patented algos by the time they go public.

IMHO

 

Yep

Probably to Stanford!

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #168 today

 

Look at the instability across the datacenters DAILY. (see Complete Report)

Look at the range of some of the positions...

07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171]
07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203]

This is some MAJOR turbulance! It is not the norm for businesses to be in such a state of constant change.

This is not in just a few categories or isolated. Many of the sites I monitor with keyword tracker took big leaps today (15-20 positions). I just cannot attribute this to normal, everyday flux.

Our little pages are like boats on a stormy sea. We think we can control where we are going right now, but I think we are all lucky just to stay afloat from day to day. Once the sea calms, then you can adjust your course.

Caryl

OH, by the way - THIS REALLY SUCKS!

...boy that was cathartic

 

You've got that right!

Whether they are a commercial or private organization they are a major force in the Internet, and exert a major influence on a lot of people's livelihood.

The instability in their SERPs is a disgrace.

 

FYI

PR look up had just been included in the results of the Keyword Analysis Tool.

Caryl

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

 

Interesting theory. I just purchased a PR8 link for one of the sites I look after a few days ago. We should have a new PR/BL update shortly. I'll let you know if my new PR8 backlink is reported when that happens.

I have modified my PR chart to do "what if" scenarios. If you use rustybrick's new tool to find out excatly how many links you have now and what PR value they are, you can then drop these results into my chart and do "what ifs" by adding additional link of various values.

When I do this for the page I mentioned above, and them plug in 1 additional PR8 link, the chart forecasts that I should attain PR7 for my page. It will be interesting to see if this really happens on the next upgrade.

If anyone would like to experiment with my new "what if" spreadsheet let me know and I'll post a link to it.

 

I still think there is some sort of sandbox applied to "interesting" keywords - for instance, from the same www.komar.org page, I added a link to budweiser airboat and that ranks #1 two days later ... but that's not exactly a competive/interesting keyword! ;-)

It is an interesting theory and would not surprise me if there is some truth to this ... or perhaps a dampening function is applied ... i.e. takes a few months or so for the full "weight" of the PR8 to be applied.

Shannon: love that picture on your website - typifies the Texas boonies!

alek

P.S. On the sleeping bags, I seem to recall there was a jump shorty after the addition of the www.komar.org link ... and upon removal, no changes for sometime, but then a big drop a few weeks later (other things going on, so hard to say what was causing what) - sorry, I'm not going to ready through the whole dang thread yet another time! ;-)

 

Actually, I didn't mean to shoot it down - let me know how to edit/rephrase what I wrote above, but for competive/interesting keywords, I think your theory has a lotta merit and thought I said above (?)

Keeping lurking AND posting - I don't want to be accused of messing with Texas! ;-)

alek

 

Smyrl,

Did you know your web site doesn't display correctly in Netscape 7.1? The picture displays way over to the right so that even on my 1024x768 resolution I have to scroll a long way to the right before I can see the picture.

 

Bob

I had the same on netscape

wrt higher page links - I had PR7s from many domains and these seemed to kick in fast (and in the last G update) for PR value - however, I am sure there is a delay difference in SERPS

so, a link may give you higher PR but higher SERPS come later

These links are now 7 weeks old so I hope to see a jump soon

 

Or as good. War and Peace is considered a classic.

 

Excellent point! The sandbox effect was never thought to effect PR ranking. It only seem to effect a sites "rightful" place in the SERPs. It is so easy to forget this. Thanks for reminding us leeds.

 

Well, with the new update just starting, the experimental page has dropped from 325 reported Backlinks to 129.

Only 11 of Bob's links included this time!

The #1 site for the search has dropped from 288 backlinks reported to 140.

Boy, what is G doing with backlinks these days?

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #189 today