McDar Experiment

Interesting how folks will take the same information and come to different conclusions. Of course, my thoughts are derived mainly from work outside of this experiement, but I believe supported for the most part by this experiment ...

1) Forum signature links do have an influence on SERPS
Disagree.
Amazingly I now am in the camp that believes forum sig links do absolutely nothing for SERPs. They used to but something in the past 6 months has caused them to become worthless. I had a very hard time believing this one myself but have run several tests in several forum sites (vBulletin and phpbb) and looked at tests by other people and it appears to be the case.

2) The coop ad network works a treat
Strongly Agree

3) the "sandbox" does not prevent pages from ranking highly
N/A
I don't believe this experiment can be used to judge the existence of a sandbox. I believe a "sandbox" or filter can be triggered by over-use of backlinks too quickly from a small set of source class C IP's.

4) Exact KWP backlinks do not harm rankings
Agree - with the caveat of possible sandbox/filter as noted above.

5) Links from unrelated sites help rankings
Strongly Agree

6) There is no penalty for exact KWP + exact <title>
Strongly Agree

7) Google is F**ked (well at least it behaves strangely at times)
No Comment - We have enough threads on this nonsense IMHO

 

I am with you all the way on disagreeing on forum links

I have been saying this for a long while now - only use them for advertising (I don't even think they get new sites spidered any longer)

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

 

Thanks for your reply which has helped to clarify my thinking.

I thought that the evidence from this test suggested that the forum backlinks had a significant effect on the rankings of the test page! If backlinks from forums do not count do you agree with Leeds1 that the disqualification is simply based on whether "forum" is in the url?

However, it is the very nature of the "sandbox" that I find most intriguing and if anyone is "up for it" I would like to explore.

I have a very healthy respect and admiration for Google and find it difficult to believe that they would introduce, as many suggest, a filter that is purely time based. For me that simply doesn't add up (I do not rule out that it is true though!).

If it isn't time based (which needs to be proven!) then anyone with websites in the sandbox cannot simply "wait it out". I for one have websites that behave "normally" and websites that behave like they're sandboxed. From the testing I have done I would characterise a sandboxed website as follows:

a) its pages respond to on-page SEO normally
b) its pages respond to external in-bound links normally
c) its pages do not respond to IBL/OBL normally

Anyone care to comment? Anyone care to join me in trying some experimentation to further our understanding of this phenomena?

 

What's the difference between b) and c) (apart from the OBL part of course)?

 

c) refers to links (inbound and outbound) from/to other pages on the website in question.

Hope that clarifies it.

 

So you mean b) is external and c) is internal?

 

Exactly - yes.

 

I always found that internal linking hardly helps for ranking in the first place. Same IP and same domain, too easy to whack a filter on. It's only important if you are in the business of spreading PR around and for getting indexed properly.

 

Not true TOPS30! I have many websites with thousands of pages ranking top solely as a result of internal back links. OK they are not highly competitive keywords but they generate a lot of traffic.

However, I don't want to get into an argument about this and would like to stay on topic - notably sandbox. In this regard and being very specific I will pick two of my websites:

Site a) PR 5 and has been for a long while - ranks 1&2 for 100+ KWP's
Site b) PR5 but only recently - ranks outside page 1

I can move site a) down in the SERPS and then back to the top by changing internal linking text only - I cannot do so with site b).

Site b) exhibits many of the symptoms of an illness that people are currently calling sandbox.

Why? Don't know yet but it is possibly the sandbox (could be many other things though!). This is why I would like to join in a systematic test (as thorough as Compar, Mcdar, and Foxy have been) of this sandbox effect.

One way or the other I plan to find out what this "sandbox" is and how to get out of it. Having read this thread for 3 hours yesterday I am convinced that members here have the desire, determination, patience and capability to derive conclusive proof for certain aspects of googles behaviour.

I appear to have both types of websites (normal and sandboxed) and can therefore provide a test platform. I am looking for others to help guide testing and/or introduce their own sites to create statistical significance.

 

Patience - I think it is a good idea ... it has been tried before but thus far I don't think there has been any conclusive determination.

There was a recent thread on this ... search for the member Randfish and look at his posts and you'll find it.

I would suggest you start a new thread in the Google forum area for this discussion/experiment.

 

Thanks for your encouragement Nitin M

I agree that it warrants its own thread. I posted here because you guys have done such a great job with this thread I am hopeful that some of you would be willing to be involved in this new project (even if you have no sandboxed sites I would welcome your input on process).

I will wait for Compar, Foxy, and Mcdar (and anyone else who is still following this mammoth thread) to comment and if it seems there is a general positive attitude to the project than I shall open a thread.

I have a few ideas already on how to proceed and would like to get those ideas reviewed. It is clear that the scrutiny of methodology has contributed greatly to ensuring that this thread/test delivered useful and "trustable" results.

 

Hi there good people,

I found this forum and stumbled on to this thread yesterday. What a journey, It has been a very interesting read, I was up half the night reading through from start to finish, phew. Actually I'm quite glad I stumbled on it now and didn't have to look in each day for an update, don't know if I would have followed it through. What helped is that right at the start I did a google search for sleeping bags and saw the page was number two. So during the dark days I had to keep reading to find out what pulled it back into line.

Couple of points, I have been a regular at a share trading forum for a few years now and have noticed when a thread gets rather longish it can suddenly disappear, we usually start a part 2 etc after about 10 pages because of this. I only mention this as I would hate to see this informative thread disappear into cyber space.

I think the experiment to a degree lost some relevance when the coop ad links were added, they achieved the aim of driving sleeping bag to the number two position and maybe even number one but my gripe is that not everyone can do that. We don't have access to that kind of firepower.
I was screaming out don't do it as I read through the posts.
It got to position 12 with a method anyone could use, I would have liked to see it pull itself out of the mire continuing in that tradition.

By the way, what has become of the Poker experiment, I thought that it was an excellent idea although I can think of some barriers that would have to be overcome.
I notice the site is still a demo.

I might add I am a complete novice at this so forgive me if my comments are naive.

Michael.

 

Cyclops,

I think everything you said is very germane. It is true that it seems the coop ads were the final push. And it is true that not all web site have access to this methodology.

So if we hadn't used the coop ads whatelse would we have needed to do?

 

>>>So if we hadn't used the coop ads what else would we have needed to do?<<<

My view was that the experiment was about achieving a top 5 ranking using tools that are available to the average person. Asking for Links to be donated was imho skiting around the edge but I would have let that slide as it appears more could have been found by other means anyway but due to time constraints and keeping things moving along a nudge was necessary.

But using the coop links was overkill, at the time the ranking was improving and all the donated links hadn't kicked in yet. I just think a little more patience was called for, after all the experiment had come this far and the finish line was in sight.....it just looked to me that it was a case of, lets get this over and done with in the quickest manner possible.
In my mind this was the most important period, finding out how to get those final few precious places into the top 5 by means that the average Joe could use.

It is an excellent example of the results that can be achieved when members of a forum get together and work through a problem as you guys have done. I congratulate all involved for that. It is very rare that this happens, usually squabbling or lack of interest and the whole thing drifts to an end prematurly.

In the sharetrading Forum I belong to we have had excellent results when we got together as a group and researched a stock.

 

I'm not sure I agree with you on this, but it is a view that has merit. The "push" to achieve results came from the need to determine whether or not the spread of domains was more important than other factors and the embracing of the coop was a further extension of that. Admittedly we have no way of monitoring the numbers using this method but we have assumed, correctly, that this will be widely spread and as such has proved one or two invaluable points. The follow on in the future when we start dismantling bits is when we can see the other factors, as McDar pointed out, that may or may not have come to bear weight in the meantime.

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

 

The site made it to #1 somewhere.

http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sleeping+bags

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
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~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
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~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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