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  1. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1361
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    100 - 10/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    103 - 10/15/2004
    104 - 10/16/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    107 - 10/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    107 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    4030 - 10/26/2004
    3860 - 10/27/2004
    3850 - 10/28/2004
    3790 - 10/29/2004
    3700 - 10/30/2004
    3680 - 10/31/2004
    3690 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    289 - 10/26/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    292 - 10/29/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    293 - 10/31/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    206 - 10/26/2004
    207 - 10/28/2004
    202 - 11/01/2004
    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     
    mcdar, Nov 6, 2004 IP
  2. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1362
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    100 - 10/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    103 - 10/15/2004
    104 - 10/16/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    107 - 10/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    107 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3850 - 10/28/2004
    3790 - 10/29/2004
    3700 - 10/30/2004
    3680 - 10/31/2004
    3690 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    292 - 10/29/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    293 - 10/31/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    206 - 10/26/2004
    207 - 10/28/2004
    202 - 11/01/2004
    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     
    mcdar, Nov 8, 2004 IP
  3. ROV

    ROV Peon

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    #1363
    What have I learned from this experiment?

    It takes a sh*tload of work to get a site to #1 in google for a competitive term.

    My congratulations to anyone who has done it in the last year.

    Has anyone done it in the last year?
     
    ROV, Nov 8, 2004 IP
  4. leeds1

    leeds1 Peon

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    #1364
    I've made it to #2 for a very competitive term in g.co.uk

    I am on the final push for #1 - I see it closing in.

    Pointers:

    > I've added tons of content and keep adding it (in that sense I pick up a lot of side traffic)

    > Extra links and lots of 'em

    > Kept my home page fairly constant (ie: not keep playing around with it except to add in links to additional directories in my site)
     
    leeds1, Nov 8, 2004 IP
  5. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1365
    It has become apparent to me that a website MUST be a member of some kind of linking network to acquire the number of links now required to get into the top ten on competitive keywords!

    There is NO WAY that my sending out emails (one at a time), that I could have received the kind of results or the number of links the experiment page has had to acquire to get into the top ten!

    I am convinced that multiple links from a few different sites DID work for a short time in the first few months of this year. Google soon found out that folks were just making their own "Link Gardens" to achieve good positions.

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Nov 8, 2004 IP
  6. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1366
    Yeah likewise no 1 over a range of them and, yes it took a whole lot of time and effort because I basically had to rebuild everything. However it is the comments of McDar that are sobering - because it is true.

    I have always thought that the reciprocal links business was a waste of time in that it was not cost effective, necessary, perhaps, but not cost effective. But what is showing now is that unless, as Caryl says, you can get your linking very wide spread you are vulnerable and will never achieve giddy heights of no1 not even for non competitive phrases. :eek:
     
    Foxy, Nov 8, 2004 IP
  7. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1367
    One year ago, "pre-Florida", our main page to the site placed #24 for this keyword search with ON-PAGE OPTIMIZATION ONLY.

    Now it takes 100s if not thousands of links to get descent placement.

    That is a significant change in Googles Search Engine.

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Nov 8, 2004 IP
  8. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1368
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    107 - 10/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    107 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3790 - 10/29/2004
    3700 - 10/30/2004
    3680 - 10/31/2004
    3690 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    292 - 10/29/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    293 - 10/31/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    206 - 10/26/2004
    207 - 10/28/2004
    202 - 11/01/2004
    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     

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  9. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

    Messages:
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    #1369
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    107 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3690 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    2830 - 11/10/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    293 - 10/31/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    286 - 11/10/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    206 - 10/26/2004
    207 - 10/28/2004
    202 - 11/01/2004
    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     
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  10. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

    Messages:
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    #1370
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    107 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3690 - 11/01/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    2830 - 11/10/2004
    3280 - 11/11/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    293 - 10/31/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    286 - 11/10/2004
    780 - 11/11/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    206 - 10/26/2004
    207 - 10/28/2004
    202 - 11/01/2004
    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    369 - 11/10/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     
    mcdar, Nov 11, 2004 IP
  11. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

    Messages:
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    #1371
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    2830 - 11/10/2004
    3280 - 11/11/2004
    4150 - 11/12/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    286 - 11/10/2004
    780 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    369 - 11/10/2004
    403 - 11/11/2004
    404 - 11/12/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     

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  12. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

    Messages:
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    #1372
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    3150 - 11/03/2004
    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    2830 - 11/10/2004
    3280 - 11/11/2004
    4150 - 11/12/2004
    4340 - 11/12/2004
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    286 - 11/10/2004
    780 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    786 - 11/13/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    369 - 11/10/2004
    403 - 11/11/2004
    403 - 11/12/2004
    415 - 11/13/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
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  13. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1373
    This is so if you feel like posting again McDar you can.
     
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  14. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1374
    And here is one for you Foxy. Now somebody give me one. We'll beat this thing somehow yet :mad:
     
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  15. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1375
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    2730 - 11/04/2004
    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    2830 - 11/10/2004
    3280 - 11/11/2004
    4150 - 11/12/2004
    4340 - 11/13/2004
    4270 - 11/14/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    289 - 11/03/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    286 - 11/10/2004
    780 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    786 - 11/13/2004
    787 - 11/14/2004
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    369 - 11/10/2004
    403 - 11/11/2004
    403 - 11/12/2004
    415 - 11/13/2004
    422 - 11/14/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     
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  16. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #1376
    Finally the SERP looks reasonable.

    Shannon
     
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  17. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    Smyrl,

    Thank you for commenting!

    I would like to take this "rare" opportunity to APOLOGIZE to everyone who reads this thread, for my lack of commenting here lately.

    It is not necessarily that I have nothing to say but since Shawn has changed the forum rules, I am usually unable to post or comment when I am moved to do so. So after posting the update, I get involved in a project I am currently involved with and ...
    _______________________________________

    IDEA

    I would suggest that since we have seemed to stabilize, we might want to consider having Bob and Craig remove the link from their forum signatures again. This would allow us to see the effect of those signature links.

    Comments and thoughts appreciated.

    Caryl
     
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  18. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    I think this should be interesting. I have removed most of my signature links for fear they might be hurting more than helping. I added Hadley link when my friends page fell out of sight on keyword tracker and stayed that way for some time. Thought it could not hurt. At least page is can now be found back in SERPS. Do not know if signature link was the cause or if it would have come back anyway.

    Shannon
     
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  19. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1379
    Sure, why not? Let's coordinate it with Craig, but I can remove it/them at any time.

    The other thing I would be interested in doing is reducing the numer of links in my InfoPool from 114 to about 10. There is some suspicion that Google may not be counting anymore than about 10 links from multiple listing like this. These are really the oldest links to the page. It would be interesting to see if the loss of 104 links would have any impact.
     
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  20. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1380
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**

    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**

    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
    Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    108 - 11/03/2004
    107 - 11/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

    2950 - 11/05/2004
    1910 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    1900 - 11/08/2004
    2960 - 11/09/2004
    2830 - 11/10/2004
    3280 - 11/11/2004
    4150 - 11/12/2004
    4340 - 11/13/2004
    4270 - 11/14/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

    281 - 11/05/2004
    270 - 11/06/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    263 - 11/08/2004
    285 - 11/09/2004
    286 - 11/10/2004
    780 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    786 - 11/13/2004
    787 - 11/14/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    198 - 11/03/2004
    218 - 11/05/2004
    222 - 11/06/2004
    232 - 11/08/2004
    369 - 11/10/2004
    403 - 11/11/2004
    403 - 11/12/2004
    415 - 11/13/2004
    422 - 11/14/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #3
     
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