McDar Experiment

Wow, almost in the top 100 that fast for a search with over two and a half million results. Imagine what that would do to a search with a lot less results. Bob, if you aren't already, you need to start makin' some money online with that kinda PR power.

 

bpal

Just as an example of how, relatively easy, it is to come up for less competitve terms, do a search on Google for Ledge sleeping bags.

You will find that this forum actually comes up at around position #3 or #4. This is just due to the product being mentioned here several times then add the size and overall backlinks to digitalpoint.com.

 

How many do you want?

 

Compar, McDar just tell me when you want to thro in my PR5 [and 4s if you want] on this fascinating exercise

 

Foxy,

I was just thinking about that!

Since I have found a way to identify which of Bob's pages have been spidered, I think I should be able to do the same for yours. I assume none of the sites you are speaking about are about sleeping bags...

So, I say go ahead and add the links. I will record the day they are added and add a search for those into my daily lookup.

Thanks!

 

OK - If we are all in agreement [Compar speak up] I will do it next Monday or later if you think that is a better idea.

Ideally it would be nice to see a statistical plateau before we enter a new factor

So What does ya think?

 

Sorry to be late to the party, but that's fine with me. Add your links.

 

I just reread your message and saw the item about satistical plateau, but I don't think it matters. Let just drive this page to the top. We may never know exactly how many links it takes but we will know we did it with X links.

 

Bob, I agree.

But, you know, I am not really certain exactly when links get credited. Is is when they are found? Are they applied in batches, maybe sometime prior to PR/Backlink update? Are they applied after the PR/Backlink update?

I am hoping that recording this information daily will give us some insight into these questions.

 

Monday then!

 

LOL, that's a very vague reply. How many what, links? Are you selling or giving?

I'm still fairly new to seo and websites... around 5 months, but I do have a site that gets about 355,000 results for the keywords and if you wanted to have a second test going at the same time it might show things on a smaller scale compared to the one with over 2 and a half million results... you would have no complaints out of me... well, it would probably be crummy if the links are only temporary, but at the same time it would give time to build up more links after we see the results so I'd be happy.

Then again, if "How many do you want" didn't pertain to what all I just typed, please forgive me for being so forward. Like I said, I'm still new, and all of this is amazing to me as I try to find my place here on the net. It just seems like there is so much opportunity if one can just get the traffic to their sites.

I'm having trouble lately getting links. Maybe I'm emailing the wrong people or something. It seems like only about 1 out of 6 or 7 are replying, and now I have to go through and erase a lot of outgoing links and wonder if they just didn't reply or didn't read their mail yet. There are so many ways to capitalize off of the internet, yet getting that traffic seems to be the hardest part.

 

You said that I should make some money from my links. So I asked how many do many do you want?

It's like walking into the bake shop and saying to the proprietor "nice looking donuts". His response will invariable be "how many do you want".

It was not an offer of free links. I'm happy with the test we are doing.

 

Fair enough, I apologize for my error. I guess I didn't make myself clear though about how to make money with the links. I meant to enter other markets and use the PR advantage that you have to obtain higher rankings, not selling the links. You may very well be doing this already.

 

The results from the keyword analysis tool and from a search on google aren't matching up on my end. Different datacenters?

 

bpal,

Yep. If you do a search on Google (www.google.com) the search request resolves to one of at least 8 datacenters. Right now the serps are not stable from one datacenter to the next. I have even seen changes in a single datacenter from one search to the next.

 

I've just made a posting in the Seach Engine Optimization forum offering a free PR7 link from my home page to MCDAR (only) to assist in this research.

If of interest to you, go ahead and respond publically with your requested URL, anchor, and title text (so others can benefit from your research) and I'll make it so.

This page is crawled a couple of times/week by GoogleBot (I can provide you exact times when it happens if interested), so I would expect the results to pop up pretty quick. People have commented on "themes" - your guess is as good as mine how Google classifies it! ;-)

alek

 

Alek,

Thank you! I will take you up on the offer.

Every link so far (that I know of) simply says sleeping bags, nothing else.
So please just enter this <a href="http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm">sleeping bags</a>

Let us know when it goes up and I'll start searching for it in G to record when G finds it.

EXCELLENT!!!

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
Position#n/a allinanchor:#n/a - 04/08/2004
position#104 allinanchor#32 - 04/09/2004
Postion#232 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/11/2004
Postion#193 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/12/2004
Postion#136 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/13/2004
Postion#133 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/14/2004
Postion#108 allinanchor:#n/a - 04/15/2004
Postion#104 allinanchor:#30 - 04/16/2004

also important to note:
on 04/08/2004 the page came up for these searches.
Ledge Sleeping Bags #2
McDar Sleeping Bags #2
Deep Creek Sleeping Bags #2

Today: (still no change)
Ledge Sleeping Bags #n/a
McDar Sleeping Bags #2
Deep Creek Sleeping Bags #2
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number of Bob's links found:
19 - 4/13/2004
24 - 4/14/2004
40 - 4/15/2004 (most datacenters report 40 but some as low as 31)
37 - 4/16/2004 (7 datacenters report 36, 7 report 42, the rest - 37)
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This page has 2 PR6 internal links and 50 external PR4 - PR6 links to it at this point. There are several PR<4 links from my signature in this forum.

It is important to note that we have no way of knowing how many, or if any of these links are creditied to the page, thus responsible for the 104 position.

I believe if we do see a large jump at some point, that it will indicate that Google calculates backlink "credits" in batches. I am only speculating here!!!!
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Another interesting point: April 7, 2004 was the date of Google's last PR/Backlink update.

 

In case anyone is interested, here are the dates of Google's last several PR/Backlink Updates.

April 07
18 Days
March 20
38 days (this is correct - Google missed one)
February 11
16 days
January 26
15 days
January 11
18 days
December 24
18 days
December 6
16 days
November 20

 

Line was added to www.komar.org at 0645 MDT on April 16th, 2004 under the semi-recent/new additions. In fact, you should have seen your first referral from it shortly thereafter from an IP address ending in .121.

Per my "offer", that link will stay in place for at least a month (depending if I remember to check on it after May 16th ;-) ... if the next PR/backlink update runs late, I'll leave it in place until then so we can see it there.

I might add that there were only 4 external links from that site, one of which is to Google itself, and the other 3 go to web sites hosted on the same IP address (one of those is the powder2glass Google Compute Toolbar page). So there isn't much PR dilution.

Finally, attached below are the googlebot entries for the top-level page the last week - I haven't really looked closely at this before - the fact it arrives at similar times every day is kinda interesting and might be yet another science experiment to do someday! ;-)

Thanx for your support of a good cause and as you mentioned in the other thread, what a coincidence that you did Alzheimer's research in an earlier life.

alek

P.S. You didn't mention a "title tag" - it's unclear if those really "count" for anything, but let me know if you wanted one added as part of your testing.


64.68.82.168 - - [11/Apr/2004:22:42:58 -0600] "GET HTTP/1.0" 200 6148 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"

64.68.82.47 - - [12/Apr/2004:22:52:56 -0600] "GET HTTP/1.0" 200 6310 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"

64.68.82.46 - - [13/Apr/2004:23:31:25 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 6310 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html"

64.68.82.201 - - [13/Apr/2004:23:40:36 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 6310 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"

64.68.82.201 - - [14/Apr/2004:22:34:38 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 6376 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"

64.68.82.168 - - [15/Apr/2004:22:16:04 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 6376 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"