McDar Experiment

compar, i think its more a matter of google not updating its reporting of links, but is aware of the removals.

 

I just did the search on Google for site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags (the search I use every morning)

Then start looking at the "last cached" dates of some of the pages returned.

here is one of the first I checked... (highlighting is mine)

Bob,

If you click on the actual link Google returns, "sleeping bags" is nowhere to be found on the page"! If you click on the cached version of the page, the keyword appears 3 times, in your signature.

You had 3 posts on that cached page PLUS the sleeping bags link was in your signature! You have removed the link twice since that date.

Do you think that we have to wait until Google finally gets around to updating this page and others that are similarly outdated BEORE we will see any difference in the serps as the result of the sig link removal?

The one main problem we have is that we cannot be sure WHERE Google is drawing it's data from and how current that information is, to calculate results.

A MAJOR problem we have here is that there is no way of really telling just what links Google is counting and how "Updated" or "Outdated" they are!

One thing does seem to be certain. Google is much more adept at collecting "NEW" data than it is at discarding old data.

NOTE: I had never looked at the cache dates for this search before and found it to be very interesting

Caryl

 

The question is, beyond interesting what the hell does it mean?


NOTE: My comments in BLUE.

 

"I repeat myself, but why would they present all this cached copy data for the searches discussed above and then ignore it, or use a different set of data for themselves. Doesn't make any sense to me."

I would say there is a good chance google is using data that is from a different time, either a couple days newer, or up to weeks earlier. Using older data would make the sand box effect more effective, also wouldn't count the weight of hundreds of links all added at once... as these links get older (and those pages that they are on) you begin to see movement..

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

 

I have done some spot checking on my network of sites and I wonder if the page is still in rotation within the coop ad network? I have not seen the page for some time now for the past several days.

This could be the reason for the drop in rankings. I wonder if NitinM can confirm for us.

 

Thank you for checking on this for us!!!

I have found that Nitin has not signed onto this forum since November 13th so I will attempt to email him and ask if the page is still in the coop ad network.

Caryl

edited to add: Sent PM to Nitin

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9

 

Well, it's movement...

That could just be accounted to general flux in the results though.
Until that position sticks, I'll probabally still be sceptical

 

You can check this by

link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

and just looking at the 3500+ links

There are numerous instances of network links there

 

But that command does not check recent activity. So it could be possible that the links that you are seeing are a few weeks old. I checked a few and even on some of the cached listings sleeping bags does not appear.

 

I just finished reading the entire thread from front to back. Exhausting...but a great experiment...and terrific that it is in a forum where many could follow, assist, add comments and questions.

I'm not willing to do this...but it would be interesting to post some summary results...such as dates following significant changes in backlinks (quantity and quality- diversity of links) and dates where significant changes occurred...and solicit comments on reasons or guesses why this occurred.

It has been difficult to assess specific cause and effect. There were periods when the site has been in flux and google was in flux. At the very least the report can identify dates with significant changes in number of bls and dates when the site moved dramatically in serps.

Just think...it all started with questions about the relevance of anchortext, allinanchor rankings and serps.

BTW to date I've focused all my efforts on bls that are either themed or in directories. Guess I can rethink that somewhat.

Kudos to the participants.

Dave

 

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
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~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
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~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
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~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
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~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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Still waiting to hear back to see if McDar was able to contact NitinM. But I am pretty certain that ad is out of rotation from the network. Not 100% until it is confirmed of courst.

Maybe Shawn can check for us - in his spare time - well he is number #5 for ebay so maybe he can relax a bit more ?

This certainly taints the experiment of dropping the signature links if it is true.

 

This is too early to make such an analysis - at the moment using

link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

There are still 3530 links - the same as the other day - irrespective of whether they may lag or whatever - that is one of the reasons that one must be careful about coming to any conclusions especially those concerning the network - the only way to check those is to visually look at the reported links - and those still show the network links.

Therefore no conclusions should be drawn or speculated on - only time will tell.

 

I agree we cannot draw any firm conclusions yet. Waiting around is boring so why not make some maybe inaccurate conclusions from the data so far . And speculation is just that - speculation.

I am not so sure that using Google's cached results is the best measure of what Google counts as backlinks. Sure it is the only visible (yet poor) measure of Google backlinks.

Googleguy at another forum has stated the following in response the following question: "When changes made to a page are reflected in the cached version on Google, they are factored into the SERPS. "

"Typically yes, for on-page factors. Off-page factors can be updated asynchronously, though".

Source - http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/26497.htm