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McDar Experiment

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  1. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1481
    Foxy,

    Using the "link:" search is not at all accurate as those totals only change when Google does it's much anticipated Backlink Update.

    Nitin has not responded. His main site seems to be MIA right now and I found some forum discussion to indicate that it has been that way since at least the beginning of Dec. if not prior to that.

    I would imagine that links to this experiment are not a priority in his life right now. If his involvement in the Ad co-op was connected to his main site, the links are undoubtably, gone now.

    This is very unfortunate. Since Google was looking a little more stable these days, I thought we would finally have a chance at making a single change in this experiment that just might be isolated and evaluated without other uncontrollable factors obscurring the results.

    We now have to "Assume" (not good for analysis) that both the sig links AND the Co-op links were removed at about the same time.

    IMPORTANT - For any of those who have been following this experiment!

    - One thing that has been "proven" over the last 8 months is the fact that ANY ATTEMPT TO EXPERIMENT with Google can never be totally controlled.

    Therefore - ANY RESULTS and or conclusions drawn should be scrutinized be the readers. Many uncontrolled for and or unreported factors behind the scenes could also be the cause of the results NOT just what the experimenters were attempting to measure.

    IF you have not noticed or have not checked it out prior to this, you may want to to take the time to look over the Complete Report that is also linked to in the daily Update to this experiment.

    You will notice as you scan the daily "position" results, that there are several hyperlinks where significant changes have occured. Those links are there so ANYONE can go to forum discussions that were occurring on the same day indicating some major "event" going on with Google.

    This is my attempt to be completely honest with the results of what we have witnessed in this experiment.

    Without this "additional" information, we could have made some pretty bold assertions with our findings. Although, the assertions would have been TRUE, they would not have been entirely accurate.

    Caryl

    PS - now someone please post something so I can post today's (and yesterday's - sorry) UPDATE.
     
    mcdar, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  2. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1482
    BTW Smyrl McDar is a lady. Her name is Caryl. But I'm sure Caryl and all the rest of us thank you for your support and consideration for the thread and when you make it possible for her to post twice in a row, albeit that restriction has been lifted for the moment.
     
    compar, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  3. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1483
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**
    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**
    *****36 DCs are NOT responding**


    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
    Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
    Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    112 - 11/20/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    4130 - 11/21/2004
    3510 - 11/22/2004
    4060 - 11/23/2004
    4050 - 11/24/2004
    682 - 11/25/2004
    3400 - 11/26/2004
    3250 - 11/27/2004
    3100 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3110 - 11/30/2004
    3100 - 12/09/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    771 - 11/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    774 - 11/24/2004
    771 - 11/25/2004
    766 - 11/26/2004
    756 - 11/27/2004
    746 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    742 - 11/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    422 - 11/14/2004
    428 - 11/21/2004
    421 - 11/25/2004
    420 - 11/26/2004
    710 - 11/29/2004
    737 - 11/30/2004
    747 - 12/04/2004
    761 - 12/08/2004
    797 - 12/10/2004
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    PR/Backlink info

    ~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    3530 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

    170 for Digitalpoint forums
    12 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    469 Backlinks
    ___________

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
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    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #10
     
    mcdar, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  4. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #1484
    Caryl, no offense intended.

    Bob, this has been very interesting experiment. As a result I believe all links are good.

    Lifelong friend and ex-neighbor has had two horrid experiences with web developers. Due to closeness of friendship and lack of expertise I have hesitated to be involved but when she fell off the chart for her domain name I added it to my signature link and she reappeared. Just Since removing link she is rapidly falling again. I do not know php and have not experimented with ad network but after Christmas plan to do so.

    Shannon

    Hadley signature added.
     
    Smyrl, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  5. Patient

    Patient Raider

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    #1485
    Is there any way of confirming that the page is in/out of rotation on the coop network as this is a vital piece of info.

    Does anyone following this thread know Shawn well enough to ask him?
     
    Patient, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  6. zamolxes

    zamolxes Peon

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    #1486
    I've checked a few of the ad_network_ads.txt and I would say that almost certainly the "sleeping bags" links are not being displayed on the coop network at the moment.
     
    zamolxes, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  7. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1487
    Yes, I agree. From time to time there seems to be evidence that Google is using some thematic evaluation in regards to links, and then you look at this experiment where I would hasten to say that probably not one single link is on a thematically related page, and the page is ranked in the top ten.

    In any case never turn down a link. It may not do you a lot of good, but I don't think any link can ever hurt you.
     
    compar, Dec 10, 2004 IP
  8. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1488
    I'll bet you never thought you would see me saying this Bob, but I totally agree!

    On another note but leading on from this - if the ads have been withdrawn from the network [as for seeing them, that is a bit like catch the greasy pig] then one would normally expect the page to drop to where it was before they went. This has not happened - but at the 'same' time the number of links from the donators has increased [almost doubled] from 420 to 797.

    Perhaps this is an indication of the spread/quantity argument?
     
    Foxy, Dec 11, 2004 IP
  9. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1489
    I hate to do this again, Foxy

    BUT - According to my records Nitin added this page to the network on 10/12/2004 and the following was reported in the complete report for that same day...

    Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****

    So, indeed, we have dropped back to where we were prior to the Ad Network links. :rolleyes:

    Caryl
     
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  10. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1490
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**
    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**
    *****36 DCs are NOT responding**


    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
    Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    112 - 11/20/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    4050 - 11/24/2004
    682 - 11/25/2004
    3400 - 11/26/2004
    3250 - 11/27/2004
    3100 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3110 - 11/30/2004
    3100 - 12/09/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3090 - 12/11/2004
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    771 - 11/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    774 - 11/24/2004
    771 - 11/25/2004
    766 - 11/26/2004
    756 - 11/27/2004
    746 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    742 - 11/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    422 - 11/14/2004
    428 - 11/21/2004
    421 - 11/25/2004
    420 - 11/26/2004
    710 - 11/29/2004
    737 - 11/30/2004
    747 - 12/04/2004
    761 - 12/08/2004
    797 - 12/10/2004
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    PR/Backlink info

    ~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    3530 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

    170 for Digitalpoint forums
    12 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    469 Backlinks
    ___________

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #10
     

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  11. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1491
    Well I didn't remember it that way, which is why I posted the above - so I went back and looked, and here is the grab from the day we hit #2 because of the coops influence - and it was how I remembered it:
     

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  12. compar

    compar Peon

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    #1492
    Foxy, I think you and McDar are both right.

    Caryl is saying that prior to the coop ads, 10/12/2004, the page was at #11. And assuming the coop ads have been removed we have returned to approximately the same ranking.

    I think you are saying that it took approx. 2 weeks for the coop ads to push the page higher and that that first happened on 10/27/2004. And I'm sure you agree that the lose of coop ads is the most probably cause for the drop of the page to its current position in the SERPs.

    So what is the conflict between the two positions?
     
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  13. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1493
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**
    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**
    *****36 DCs are NOT responding**


    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    112 - 11/20/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    682 - 11/25/2004
    3400 - 11/26/2004
    3250 - 11/27/2004
    3100 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3110 - 11/30/2004
    3100 - 12/09/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3090 - 12/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    771 - 11/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    774 - 11/24/2004
    771 - 11/25/2004
    766 - 11/26/2004
    756 - 11/27/2004
    746 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    742 - 11/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    422 - 11/14/2004
    428 - 11/21/2004
    421 - 11/25/2004
    420 - 11/26/2004
    710 - 11/29/2004
    737 - 11/30/2004
    747 - 12/04/2004
    761 - 12/08/2004
    797 - 12/10/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    3530 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

    170 for Digitalpoint forums
    12 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    469 Backlinks
    ___________

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #10
     

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  14. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1494
    So, what the heck is up with Google? Is this part of the "new Google" rhythm?

    When the sig links were removed in June, it took 14 days for the search to go from 403o to 197.

    It has now been nearly a month since Bob and Foxy have, once again, removed the same links and we are lingering in some sort of "limbo" with most of the long gone links still being reported.

    This certainly indicates some kind of change. It is a real shame that we have no way to do a similar search for the Ad network links. If we did, would they still be showing?

    Afterall, many of us here now agree that the recent drop the experiment page took was most likely due to the loss of the network links.

    This would be interesting data to have - DAMN!

    Caryl

    Edited to add:

    I just did a little "spot checking" on the links returned on the Link:www... search for the experiment page. I used a number of the "chatabout..." sites reported in that search and did a Site:www. chatabout...com +"sleeping bags" on them and found no incidences where pages were being returned due to a link to the experiment page. REMEMBER this was just a spot check. I only did it with a few sites. BUT when I did the same search on this forum, the results returned MANY pages where sleeping bags was found only in Bob's of Foxy's signature.
     
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  15. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1495
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**
    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**
    *****36 DCs are NOT responding**


    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    112 - 11/20/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    682 - 11/25/2004
    3400 - 11/26/2004
    3250 - 11/27/2004
    3100 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3110 - 11/30/2004
    3100 - 12/09/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3090 - 12/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    771 - 11/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    774 - 11/24/2004
    771 - 11/25/2004
    766 - 11/26/2004
    756 - 11/27/2004
    746 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    742 - 11/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________

    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
    __________________

    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    422 - 11/14/2004
    428 - 11/21/2004
    421 - 11/25/2004
    420 - 11/26/2004
    710 - 11/29/2004
    737 - 11/30/2004
    747 - 12/04/2004
    761 - 12/08/2004
    797 - 12/10/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    3530 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

    170 for Digitalpoint forums
    12 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    469 Backlinks
    ___________

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
    __________________

    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
    Note:Google API has page at #10
     
    mcdar, Dec 13, 2004 IP
  16. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #1496
    Not sure. Do you need another post before reposting.

    Dave
     
    earlpearl, Dec 14, 2004 IP
  17. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1497
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**
    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**
    *****36 DCs are NOT responding**


    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
    ________________
    Last 10 days

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    _____________________________________________________
    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    112 - 11/20/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
    __________________
    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    __________________
    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    682 - 11/25/2004
    3400 - 11/26/2004
    3250 - 11/27/2004
    3100 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3110 - 11/30/2004
    3100 - 12/09/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3090 - 12/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    771 - 11/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    774 - 11/24/2004
    771 - 11/25/2004
    766 - 11/26/2004
    756 - 11/27/2004
    746 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    742 - 11/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    422 - 11/14/2004
    428 - 11/21/2004
    421 - 11/25/2004
    420 - 11/26/2004
    710 - 11/29/2004
    737 - 11/30/2004
    747 - 12/04/2004
    761 - 12/08/2004
    797 - 12/10/2004
    __________________
    PR/Backlink info

    ~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    3530 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

    170 for Digitalpoint forums
    12 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    469 Backlinks
    ___________

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    __________________
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  18. Foxy

    Foxy Chief Natural Foodie

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    #1498
    Thanks - it seems to have been turned off at the mo :) Happy Days
     
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  19. Patient

    Patient Raider

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    #1499
    Hi All

    I guess that by now we can be pretty certain that the page is out of rotation in the ad network.

    Partly in order to test this for myself and partly to test the same IP link myth? I would like to donate a link to this page from > 100 domains on the same IP address.

    Would you be interested at this point? Are you planning any other changes that would invalidate this test?
     
    Patient, Dec 15, 2004 IP
  20. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #1500
    NEW PAGE UPDATE:
    *Google PR/Backlink update
    **29 DCs are NOT responding**
    ***27 DCs are NOT responding**
    ****32 DCs are NOT responding**
    *****36 DCs are NOT responding**


    The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
    04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

    Search for "Sleeping Bags"
    _____________
    NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
    You can view the entire report here... Complete Report
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    Last 10 days

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
    Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
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    note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
    number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

    105 - 11/05/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    110 - 11/09/2004
    109 - 11/10/2004
    114 - 11/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    112 - 11/20/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
    Alek's PR 7 Link:
    Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
    Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
    Unchanged from previous date
    Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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    note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
    Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
    0 - 4/20/2004
    3 - 5/04/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    2 - 6/17/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
    4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
    Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    682 - 11/25/2004
    3400 - 11/26/2004
    3250 - 11/27/2004
    3100 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3110 - 11/30/2004
    3100 - 12/09/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    3090 - 12/11/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
    Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
    Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

    771 - 11/21/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    774 - 11/24/2004
    771 - 11/25/2004
    766 - 11/26/2004
    756 - 11/27/2004
    746 - 11/28/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    742 - 11/30/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
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    "Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
    Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

    #22 - 08/22/2004
    Unchanged from previous date
    #14 - 08/24/2004
    #19 - 08/26/2004
    Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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    *August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

    Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

    Daily Totals Report (click to see full report)

    428 - 11/21/2004
    421 - 11/25/2004
    420 - 11/26/2004
    710 - 11/29/2004
    737 - 11/30/2004
    747 - 12/04/2004
    761 - 12/08/2004
    797 - 12/10/2004
    824 - 12/15/2004
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    PR/Backlink info

    ~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    3530 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

    170 for Digitalpoint forums
    12 for SEO Chat forums
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    ~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    469 Backlinks
    ___________

    ~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    566 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
    20 of Caryl's links
    10 of Bob's Links
    9 of "August 18th" Links
    480 for Digitalpoint forums
    30 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    457 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    401 for Digitalpoint forums
    23 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    85 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
    13 of Caryl's links
    13 of Bob's Links
    0 of Foxy's Links
    20 for Digitalpoint forums
    28 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    129 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
    14 of Caryl's links
    11 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    49 for Digitalpoint forums
    38 for SEO Chat forums
    ___________

    ~ June 22 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    325 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 325)
    50 of Caryl's links
    56 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    149 for Digitalpoint forums
    70 for SEO Chat forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ May 31 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
    170 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 170)
    37 of Caryl's links
    46 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    85 for Digitalpoint forums
    1 for Alek's Link
    ___________

    ~ April 23 Update ~
    sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
    49 Backlinks
    (backlinks reported in the 49)
    5 of Caryl's links
    42 of Bob's Links
    1 of Foxy's Links
    2 for Digitalpoint forums
    Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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    ~ Highest Positions Attained ~

    Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
    (No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

    Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

    Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

    Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

    Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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    Note:Google API has page at #9
     
    mcdar, Dec 15, 2004 IP
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