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The NZ Dating scene just got trickier

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by sarahk, Oct 5, 2005.

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Should sex partners be told of HIV/HepC status first?

  1. Yes, legally & ethically

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  2. No legally, but yes ethically

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  3. No, using a condom means it's no big deal

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  4. No opinion

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  1. #1
    What do you guys reckon? Should someone with HIV (or HepC for that matter) have to tell the other person that they've got it before they shag?
     
    sarahk, Oct 5, 2005 IP
  2. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #2
    I voted
    'No legally, but yes ethically'
    was a tought call, was either that or
    'Yes, legally & ethically'
    But feel it could be an unjust law if used incorrectly, plus not to mention both parties have their own responsibilities.

    Tough question though in my eyes.
     
    GRIM, Oct 5, 2005 IP
  3. MattEvers

    MattEvers Notable Member

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    You're not buying a car, you're having sex. No to the legal.

    But I sure as hell would like to know. Yes to the ethical.
     
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    zman Peon

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    Option B for me.
     
    zman, Oct 6, 2005 IP
  5. mcfox

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    #5
    Option A for me. People who have a chronic, life-threatening disease that can be easily passed to a partner during sex should be obliged ethically to tell a prospective partner, however, since people are obviously not telling, then a legal obligation should be placed on them to do so.

    What if the condom broke? They do have failure rates and they are not 100% effective at preventing disease transmission. Very effective but not 100%. Nah, tell or else, is my opinion.
     
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    So then what next? Should the government require you to list your sex partners before dating? Should the law say that you have to tell your partner if you have ever kissed another and what the name was, address, phone number, etc?

    If you want bigger government, then get ready for everything that comes with it.
     
    zman, Oct 6, 2005 IP
  7. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    We already have laws saying you can't smoke in public places, but that prostitution is decriminalised. There is a bill before parliament to outlaw smacking a child. We already have nanny-state interfering with what goes on. I know people who have faced HIV, one has it, luckily the date of infection meant my friends weren't at risk - however they face the future with a loved one who suffers from a serious illness. I don't mind some scrutiny on this one.
     
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    Being where you live, I could easily so going for what you feel is right, living in the US I however see more the disadvantages to such a step as to what else may be unleashed with it. Our policy makers love adding extremely stupid laws to bills to say it bluntly. Not to mention the after effect that could come here if such a law was ruled constitutional.

    Sorry for the UK, my oops
     
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    No, I'm saying that if someone has a life-threatening / life-ending / debilitating disease that they are fully aware of, they have an obligation to tell a prospective partner that by having sex with them, they themselves could contract that same illness.

    Clearly, some people who have these conditions will choose not to let a potential partner know they are risking their lives for a shag. To my mind, failing to let someone know they could have avoided a lifetime's illness just by saying 'no thanks' is criminal.

    I'm fairly sure that those who have the illnesses right now would, given the option, like to have had the chance to say, 'no' to their disease.
     
    mcfox, Oct 6, 2005 IP
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    #10
    I totally agree with what you said there. My question is are you ready to allow government into your dating decisions?

    I could be in a world alone here, but I am happily married and I place the risk into the hands of the trust I have for my wife, not the government.

    Its all about personal responsibility IMHO. Yes, it would be horrible, but then again, so is getting in the car with a reckless driver, going drinking with a person who resorts to violence when drunk, having a nurse use the wrong needle at a hospital, etc.

    Choices are made and results come from them. Some are good, some are bad. It still is YOUR choice, NOT the governments.

    If it were possible for this to become law and NOTHING else then maybe I would support it. History shows that once you give government a little, they take a LOT!

    Again, I could be alone on the thought but I am just sharing my opinion on the issue.
     
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    I think we're probably just singing different parts of the same song for the most part.

    I agree governments are always grasping for more control and power over the serfs. Little by little we lose some of our lives to them every day with the help of technologies and sneaky laws passed to help stop <insert bullshit excuse and fear mongering here>.

    As to this discussion ... yeah, if we could trust our Governments to legislate responsibly ... it would be the ideal. At the end of the day, I'd rather have some proactive measures in the case of HIV and Hepatitis B, C. Mind you, that's how genocide and mass murder under the name of eugenics got underway, isn't it?
     
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    Good post.

    A glass of green tea is coming your way. ;)
     
    zman, Oct 6, 2005 IP
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    I think it should be illegal to sleep with someone with intention to pass HIV or other diseases but i cant see the way you could prove that you did not do it on purpose. Ethically? Defenetely!
     
    mightyb, Oct 6, 2005 IP